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The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:
I know its just a game and I do keep it in perspective. I hate stealer fans as well. I hate them because they are obnoxious, I hate them because most of them are inbred, and I hate them because they are pretty unpleasant people. But at the same time, I like the fact that they exist. They provide the evil to correspond to the good that exists within the Browns. The same can't be said for penicillimore. If that franchise, all its fans, its murdering players and their stadium were to just disappear from existence, the world would be a better place.

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote: I hate stealer fans as well. I hate them because they are obnoxious, I hate them because most of them are inbred, and I hate them because they are pretty unpleasant people. But at the same time, I like the fact that they exist. They provide the evil to correspond to the good that exists within the Browns. The same can't be said for penicillimore. If that franchise, all its fans, its murdering players and their stadium were to just disappear from existence, the world would be a better place.

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:Try yelling that in Ohio and you'll get worse than choked. Maybe you should try supporting a team that is not an illegitimate stolen franchise, one that doesn't make you a hypocrite. Baltimore fans truly sicken me. They had a franchise stolen from them so they act like that gives them some moral authority to do it to someone else. They are the definition of hypocrisy and that franchise should be moved away, the stadium torn down and the earth salted on that spot so nothing will ever grow there again.

What? Baltimore was the last city that wanted someone else's franchise. They felt the pain and spent a decade working with the NFL to get an expansion franchise to replace their beloved Colts. The NFL shafted Baltimore by expanding to Jacksonsville and Carolina instead.

The NFL is still bending over backwards to get L.A. another team, even though L.A. has made it clear they don't really want/or need one. Witness the Raiders moving there and back.

The NFL has bent over backwards to help Houston regain a franchise.

The NFL bent over backwards to help Cleveland get a team back (once Cleveland decided to build the stadium that would have kept the original Browns franchise there in the first place). The NFL allowed Cleveland to keep the rights to the Browns name, colors and history.

It's still a crock whenever anyone in the media or Indianapolis tries to list the history of the franchise by quoting Baltimore Colts achievements. The same that that happened for Cleveland should have happened to Baltimore, i.e. the name, colors and history should always remain with Baltimore.

The city of Baltimore did not want the Browns franchise, but after 10+ years of being used by the NFL and every owner who wanted a better stadium deal and used Baltimore as a negotiating point, and after getting shafted and watching the NFL codder other cities (Jacksonville, Tennesee, Houston, Arizona, L.A., Carolina) they accepted the inevitable. When Cleveland and the Browns franchise could not work out a stadium deal, they brought them to Baltimore. They were not "stolen" in the middle of the night like the Colts move to Indianapolis ...... over 2 years of failed negotiations ... VERY PUBLIC negotiations took place. When the city of Cleveland and the Browns reached an impasse, the franchise moved to Baltimore.

The Indianapolis Colts move was all done in back rooms and out of the media spotlight.

Johnny Unitas was once asked by Indianapolis to participate in a ceremony that would honor him and other Colt greats (Baltimore Colts greats mind you) ..... he said effectively "Hell no ... I played for Baltimore". With Johnny U's blessing, the fans in Baltimore have accepted the Ravens (Johnny U stood on the sidelines of every game until his death) ...... but trust me, the fans in Baltimore would much prefer to have what Cleveland was allowed .... the historic name associated with the city.

What a bunch of revisionist art modell loving garbage. There were no negotiations done in the light of day. The first time we heard about crackmore was when modell announced he had already signed contracts with them and had agreed to the move. And if he had been public about his problems, he could obviously gotten a new stadium as the stadium levy passed within days of his announcement. The only reason he announced it in the middle of the season was because he felt he had to before Cleveland had a chance to vote on a new stadium.

If baltimore did not want someone elses franchise then they should not have accepted this travesty in their name. The fact that they did makes them hypocrites. They stopped supporting the Colts in the years leading up to the move. Browns fans have never stopped supporting anything. It was the outrage and uproar of Browns fans that allowed us to keep our name, and allowed us to keep our franchise. Colts fans in baltimore just stopped showing up.

I'm sorry I get so riled up about this, but I'm a fourth generation Browns fan. We love our team like no one in baltimore who acts like he cares about their little franchise they bastardized and named after a poem, and I will never accept those pansies as a legitimate member of the NFL families. As long as crackmore fans fail to realize how offensive and insulting their very existence is, I personally hope they continue to get choked in public.

I'm sure you know more about the negotiations and timing of what took place between Modell and the city of Cleveland ... it was probably very similiar to what took place between Irsay and the city of Baltimore. I'm interested in your comments/feedback on the other points I've tried to make.

By the way ... I am a D.C. area Redskins fan. My comments on the Baltimore Colts come from secondary leanings with my friends in Baltimore.

What took place is art modell publicly stated in 1995 that he would like a new stadium but was placing a moritorium on stadium talks until the end of the season because he didn't want to have it distracting from the games. In reality, it was because baltimore had hired a little weasel named John Moag who was meeting with art modell sitting in airplanes in dark corners of airports. In the midst of the season, when it became clear that Cleveland would be successfully voting on the funding to build modell his new stadium, it became necessary for him to announce his betrayal early.

And as for the expansion to Jacksonville and Tennessee, why did the NFL move there instead of crackmore???? It is because the chairman of the NFL expansion committee was none other than art modell, who saw all the offers, saw how baltimore was willing to sell their soul for a new team and his jealousy over the deal caused him to boycott expansion there because he wanted the deal for himself.


And once again, I find the actions of baltimore fans in accepting this despicable act in their name to be sickening. As a fan who had a team stolen out from under him, I can tell you with 100% certainty, that no way would I have accepted another stolen franchise. I didn't watch a single NFL game or Super Bowl for 5 years, believe me, I would rather live without it than be a hypocrite like those scumbags in baltimore.

I know its just a game and I do keep it in perspective. I hate stealer fans as well. I hate them because they are obnoxious, I hate them because most of them are inbred, and I hate them because they are pretty unpleasant people. But at the same time, I like the fact that they exist. They provide the evil to correspond to the good that exists within the Browns. The same can't be said for penicillimore. If that franchise, all its fans, its murdering players and their stadium were to just disappear from existence, the world would be a better place.

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:Try yelling that in Ohio and you'll get worse than choked. Maybe you should try supporting a team that is not an illegitimate stolen franchise, one that doesn't make you a hypocrite. Baltimore fans truly sicken me. They had a franchise stolen from them so they act like that gives them some moral authority to do it to someone else. They are the definition of hypocrisy and that franchise should be moved away, the stadium torn down and the earth salted on that spot so nothing will ever grow there again.

What? Baltimore was the last city that wanted someone else's franchise. They felt the pain and spent a decade working with the NFL to get an expansion franchise to replace their beloved Colts. The NFL shafted Baltimore by expanding to Jacksonsville and Carolina instead.

The NFL is still bending over backwards to get L.A. another team, even though L.A. has made it clear they don't really want/or need one. Witness the Raiders moving there and back.

The NFL has bent over backwards to help Houston regain a franchise.

The NFL bent over backwards to help Cleveland get a team back (once Cleveland decided to build the stadium that would have kept the original Browns franchise there in the first place). The NFL allowed Cleveland to keep the rights to the Browns name, colors and history.

It's still a crock whenever anyone in the media or Indianapolis tries to list the history of the franchise by quoting Baltimore Colts achievements. The same that that happened for Cleveland should have happened to Baltimore, i.e. the name, colors and history should always remain with Baltimore.

The city of Baltimore did not want the Browns franchise, but after 10+ years of being used by the NFL and every owner who wanted a better stadium deal and used Baltimore as a negotiating point, and after getting shafted and watching the NFL codder other cities (Jacksonville, Tennesee, Houston, Arizona, L.A., Carolina) they accepted the inevitable. When Cleveland and the Browns franchise could not work out a stadium deal, they brought them to Baltimore. They were not "stolen" in the middle of the night like the Colts move to Indianapolis ...... over 2 years of failed negotiations ... VERY PUBLIC negotiations took place. When the city of Cleveland and the Browns reached an impasse, the franchise moved to Baltimore.

The Indianapolis Colts move was all done in back rooms and out of the media spotlight.

Johnny Unitas was once asked by Indianapolis to participate in a ceremony that would honor him and other Colt greats (Baltimore Colts greats mind you) ..... he said effectively "Hell no ... I played for Baltimore". With Johnny U's blessing, the fans in Baltimore have accepted the Ravens (Johnny U stood on the sidelines of every game until his death) ...... but trust me, the fans in Baltimore would much prefer to have what Cleveland was allowed .... the historic name associated with the city.

What a bunch of revisionist art modell loving garbage. There were no negotiations done in the light of day. The first time we heard about crackmore was when modell announced he had already signed contracts with them and had agreed to the move. And if he had been public about his problems, he could obviously gotten a new stadium as the stadium levy passed within days of his announcement. The only reason he announced it in the middle of the season was because he felt he had to before Cleveland had a chance to vote on a new stadium.

If baltimore did not want someone elses franchise then they should not have accepted this travesty in their name. The fact that they did makes them hypocrites. They stopped supporting the Colts in the years leading up to the move. Browns fans have never stopped supporting anything. It was the outrage and uproar of Browns fans that allowed us to keep our name, and allowed us to keep our franchise. Colts fans in baltimore just stopped showing up.

I'm sorry I get so riled up about this, but I'm a fourth generation Browns fan. We love our team like no one in baltimore who acts like he cares about their little franchise they bastardized and named after a poem, and I will never accept those pansies as a legitimate member of the NFL families. As long as crackmore fans fail to realize how offensive and insulting their very existence is, I personally hope they continue to get choked in public.

I'm sure you know more about the negotiations and timing of what took place between Modell and the city of Cleveland ... it was probably very similiar to what took place between Irsay and the city of Baltimore. I'm interested in your comments/feedback on the other points I've tried to make.

By the way ... I am a D.C. area Redskins fan. My comments on the Baltimore Colts come from secondary leanings with my friends in Baltimore.

What took place is art modell publicly stated in 1995 that he would like a new stadium but was placing a moritorium on stadium talks until the end of the season because he didn't want to have it distracting from the games. In reality, it was because baltimore had hired a little weasel named John Moag who was meeting with art modell sitting in airplanes in dark corners of airports. In the midst of the season, when it became clear that Cleveland would be successfully voting on the funding to build modell his new stadium, it became necessary for him to announce his betrayal early.

And as for the expansion to Jacksonville and Tennessee, why did the NFL move there instead of crackmore???? It is because the chairman of the NFL expansion committee was none other than art modell, who saw all the offers, saw how baltimore was willing to sell their soul for a new team and his jealousy over the deal caused him to boycott expansion there because he wanted the deal for himself.


And once again, I find the actions of baltimore fans in accepting this despicable act in their name to be sickening. As a fan who had a team stolen out from under him, I can tell you with 100% certainty, that no way would I have accepted another stolen franchise. I didn't watch a single NFL game or Super Bowl for 5 years, believe me, I would rather live without it than be a hypocrite like those scumbags in baltimore.

I know its just a game and I do keep it in perspective. I hate stealer fans as well. I hate them because they are obnoxious, I hate them because most of them are inbred, and I hate them because they are pretty unpleasant people. But at the same time, I like the fact that they exist. They provide the evil to correspond to the good that exists within the Browns. The same can't be said for penicillimore. If that franchise, all its fans, its murdering players and their stadium were to just disappear from existence, the world would be a better place.

You make many very good points. We disagree in many areas though. Where you lose me is your style of presenting your arguments and with your attitude and personal attacks however, even though you are not directing them at me.

buffettbride wrote:GO BRONCOS!

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:

buffettbride wrote:GO BRONCOS!

I've got no problem with the Broncos. I think its great how they honored Elway by putting his picture on the side of their helmets.

buffettbride wrote:GO BRONCOS!

rednekkPH wrote:

buffettbride wrote:GO BRONCOS!

See, this is what happens when we, as a society, allow women to have opinions on sports.

Parrotisla wrote: Now when i say choke i mean he has his 2 hands clenching my throat but not squeezing, so I could breathe ...

rednekkPH wrote:

Parrotisla wrote: Now when i say choke i mean he has his 2 hands clenching my throat but not squeezing, so I could breathe ...

There's the problem, right there.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Parrotisla wrote: Now when i say choke i mean he has his 2 hands clenching my throat but not squeezing, so I could breathe ...

There's the problem, right there.

Frankie....

Seriously, people. I am passionate about the teams I support...but as Larry said, it's just an f'ing game! For the most part I have had nothing but positive experiences with fans from opposing teams...because most of them also realize it's just an f'ing game! Sure there are a few jerks, you find them in every element of life. When you find yourself getting this worked up over a sports team or its fans, it's time to take a big step back, get some perspective and regroup. And if this is the biggest issue in your life, you're damB lucky.

As I have had to remind myself lately, the loudest and most obnoxious fans are not necessarily representative of the entire fan base...something to think about.

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Parrotisla wrote: Now when i say choke i mean he has his 2 hands clenching my throat but not squeezing, so I could breathe ...

There's the problem, right there.

Frankie....

Seriously, people. I am passionate about the teams I support...but as Larry said, it's just an f'ing game! For the most part I have had nothing but positive experiences with fans from opposing teams...because most of them also realize it's just an f'ing game! Sure there are a few jerks, you find them in every element of life. When you find yourself getting this worked up over a sports team or its fans, it's time to take a big step back, get some perspective and regroup. And if this is the biggest issue in your life, you're damB lucky.

As I have had to remind myself lately, the loudest and most obnoxious fans are not necessarily representative of the entire fan base...something to think about.

Okay MOM. Now can you please turn the game back on.

tryin' to reason wrote:Could we switch to religion now...??

Or maybe politics...??
Has McCain picked a running mate yet???

tryin' to reason wrote:Could we switch to religion now...??

Or maybe politics...??
Has McCain picked a running mate yet???

Skibo wrote:

tryin' to reason wrote:Could we switch to religion now...??

Or maybe politics...??
Has McCain picked a running mate yet???

I believe bacon is a pox on society and should be banned. Too many pigs are being needlessly slaughtered to support the countries addiction to bacon.

Forget politics, people have stronger feeling about bacon...

buffettbride wrote:

Skibo wrote:

tryin' to reason wrote:Could we switch to religion now...??

Or maybe politics...??
Has McCain picked a running mate yet???

I believe bacon is a pox on society and should be banned. Too many pigs are being needlessly slaughtered to support the countries addiction to bacon.

Forget politics, people have stronger feeling about bacon...

Okay, there ya go. Don't mess with my bacon. You better be bringin' your best pig game to win this one.