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12vmanRick wrote:

FunkHouse9 wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

buffettbride wrote: when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

because she has an accent doesn't make her stupid

I don't think anyone is accusing her of sounding or being stupid. Her debating and public speaking abilities aren't particularly exceptional. Anyone who disagrees needs to go back and have another listen.

I listened just fine the first time and found that I thought she came across as a very personable, informed person for the job she has been asked to fill. She looked the part, she acted the part but it wasn't enough to woo any new voters in my opinion. We need more down to earth people like her running, not blowhards like McCain and Biden. I will say that at least Obama is a fresh view whether I agree with him or like him or not.

I voted today and didn't vote for either of these.

One person's personable and informed is another person's condescending yutz. C'est la vie. Thank you for NOT giving her your vote.

buffettbride wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

FunkHouse9 wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

buffettbride wrote: when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

because she has an accent doesn't make her stupid

I don't think anyone is accusing her of sounding or being stupid. Her debating and public speaking abilities aren't particularly exceptional. Anyone who disagrees needs to go back and have another listen.

I listened just fine the first time and found that I thought she came across as a very personable, informed person for the job she has been asked to fill. She looked the part, she acted the part but it wasn't enough to woo any new voters in my opinion. We need more down to earth people like her running, not blowhards like McCain and Biden. I will say that at least Obama is a fresh view whether I agree with him or like him or not.

I voted today and didn't vote for either of these.

One person's personable and informed is another person's condescending yutz. C'est la vie. Thank you for NOT giving her your vote.

never intended to despite the preconceived notion of many that I was or am a staunch Republican.

12vmanRick wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

FunkHouse9 wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

buffettbride wrote: when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

because she has an accent doesn't make her stupid

I don't think anyone is accusing her of sounding or being stupid. Her debating and public speaking abilities aren't particularly exceptional. Anyone who disagrees needs to go back and have another listen.

I listened just fine the first time and found that I thought she came across as a very personable, informed person for the job she has been asked to fill. She looked the part, she acted the part but it wasn't enough to woo any new voters in my opinion. We need more down to earth people like her running, not blowhards like McCain and Biden. I will say that at least Obama is a fresh view whether I agree with him or like him or not.

I voted today and didn't vote for either of these.

One person's personable and informed is another person's condescending yutz. C'est la vie. Thank you for NOT giving her your vote.

never intended to despite the preconceived notion of many that I was or am a staunch Republican.

Oh I know you're not. And I think if we scraped the surface a bit, we'd find some political leanings in common. We just execute our votes differently to account for it.

sunseeker wrote:

Moonie wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

ph4ever wrote:I'm probably the only one that's having problems with her trying to make herself out to be a middle American. She's not a middle American woman. A middle American woman does not wear and spend the money on clothes she does.

Thank you, nor can Middle Class women buy a $500 pair glasses

I've seen her glasses listed between $300 and $700...

Mine (frames and lenses) are about $800, without insurance. With, I pay about $300.

mine are about that expensive, my contacts are a lot less, but you have to have eyeglasses as back up.

as far as what she spends on clothes, women in education, as in Principal, Superintendent, Vice-Principal spend a tremendous amount on clothing, shoes, etc.

It's required that they look extremely professional, at all times.

At least she's not as frumpy looking as Hillary always was, IMO...

not that what clothes you wear have anything to do with it, at all.

however, I do believe that Palin has a very distinctive style, of her own making, which is first class, I just do not agree with her stand on allowing, encouraging hunters to kill wolves and bears from low flying airplanes...and put a hefty bounty on the wolves.

I think she certainly held her own and surprized a lot of people, if they will admit it. I know I was surprized, as well as pleased that she did well.

To buy women's clothes (that hold up well) is expensive these days. I went to Ann Taylor Loft (the cheaper of Ann Taylor stores) and spend $120 on two shirts and one pair of pants. And that was a good deal....The clothes won't hold up as well as the more expensive of the Ann Taylor stores but they do me for a year....I have bought clothes from Target, Walmart, and department store brands....and they just don't wear well or hold up like I need them to.

Eye glasses are expensive as well...I spent close to $500 on my back up pair as well. I guess what I'm saying is that to be a well dressed business woman these days, you have to be prepared to spend some money

my daughter's MIL was Supt of Schools in OK...she spent a ton of money on her clothing, shoes, etc.

Clothing from discount stores, K-Mart, Target, etc. cannot compare to quality clothing, such as you mention Shannon.

I don't see that her taste in clothing, how and what to wear should be an issue. She's got that under control..IMO.

LIPH wrote:We don't have vision coverage and I need progressive lenses which are more expensive than regular lenses. I think my last pair of glasses was about $600, maybe a little more.

I have progressive no-line also..John Lennon frames. My lenses and exam $450 and that's with a 20% discount..included teflon no scratch coating as well as no glare.

I didn't have to purchase frames, used the ones I had. I wear contacts most of the time, but when I do wear my glasses they've got to be comfortable and well fitting...she probably wears what is comfortable, fits well, and looks good on her. Apparently her eyewear is in middle income range. (whatever that number is, now ?)

12vmanRick wrote:We need more down to earth people like her running, not blowhards like McCain and Biden. I will say that at least Obama is a fresh view whether I agree with him or like him or not.

I certainly agree with you on this little assessment of the four.

UAHparrothead wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:Quick question: How (why) is it relevant how much Sarah Palin spends to dress without, discussing what the other candidates spend, too?

ALL these people have high level political jobs and I would expect them to dress in professional business attire.
Not only that, I would expect them to wear high quality clothes. They're representing our Government.
Anyone who wants to represent the USA should look like they're representing the greatest nation in the world, and not a nation on the decline. IMHO.

To me, it's not how much she spends on her clothes or accessories or anything. I completely expect her to look the part, name brands and all.

What baffles me is that she looks like a million bucks, but when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

Which was the point I was trying to make, I don't care how much she spends on clothes or glasses or shoes or anything else, my point is that she is trying to identify with the Wal-Mart crowd by talking down to them, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, but that is hard for me to buy with a $10,000 outfit

Honestly, I find your comment insulting. Do you really believe her suit cost $10,000?

I can think of positives and negatives of each (VP) candidate.
This woman has or is facing family issues that confront many American families.
As, has Joe Biden.
While the specific issues they've faced have differed (single parenthood, teen pregnancy, children with special needs, small town issues, living outside the "bubble", etc...), I don't think it means they can't empathize with things the "average" american faces.

But while you say you don't care what she spend on clothes, you are obviously attempting to quantify her candidacy based on her "$10,000 suit", which is short-sighted IMHO.

msu#1 wrote:I wish Biden would have hammered her when she kept saying Mccain wont cut and run on Iraq, he should have said "If he wont cut and run on Iraq, then why are you pulling all ads and staff out of Michigan". You cant cut and run on the war but you can cut and run on 300,000 lost jobs in the Great Lakes?

Pulling out of MI is a big mistake IMO.

12vmanRick wrote:because she has an accent doesn't make her stupid

That's a relief.

sunseeker wrote:

Moonie wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

ph4ever wrote:I'm probably the only one that's having problems with her trying to make herself out to be a middle American. She's not a middle American woman. A middle American woman does not wear and spend the money on clothes she does.

Thank you, nor can Middle Class women buy a $500 pair glasses

I've seen her glasses listed between $300 and $700...

Mine (frames and lenses) are about $800, without insurance. With, I pay about $300.

mine are about that expensive, my contacts are a lot less, but you have to have eyeglasses as back up.

as far as what she spends on clothes, women in education, as in Principal, Superintendent, Vice-Principal spend a tremendous amount on clothing, shoes, etc.

It's required that they look extremely professional, at all times.

At least she's not as frumpy looking as Hillary always was, IMO...

not that what clothes you wear have anything to do with it, at all.

however, I do believe that Palin has a very distinctive style, of her own making, which is first class, I just do not agree with her stand on allowing, encouraging hunters to kill wolves and bears from low flying airplanes...and put a hefty bounty on the wolves.

I think she certainly held her own and surprized a lot of people, if they will admit it. I know I was surprized, as well as pleased that she did well.

Eye glasses are expensive as well...I spent close to $500 on my back up pair as well. I guess what I'm saying is that to be a well dressed business woman these days, you have to be prepared to spend some money

And depending upon your prescription (my eyesight is very bad) it can almost be impossible to get a "cheap" pair of glasses even at WalMart!

After watching the "debate" last night and again this afternoon, I have drawn the following conclusions.

First, Governor Palin's handlers did a great job of getting her prepared. It is clear that they had a script for her and told her to stick to it, no matter what and she did. I think she did such a good job that she ignored the rules that the McCain campaign insisted upon to protect her from looking too bad. And because the level of expectation was so low for her, she definitely came across as the most improved.

Second, if she was forced into talking about anything not covered by the memorized script, she did a good job of reverting to the scripted answers. While this may have made her look good in some people's eyes, in others it raised questions about how much or how little she knows about health care, about Afghanistan and several other issues.

Third, she did a great job of speaking to the camera and of projecting an image of being warm and caring. I think that is what worked best for her.

Fourth, after 90 minutes, I was really getting tired of her drumbeat of "John McCain is a Maverick". Even if he is, which some may disagree with, I felt that her cheerleading was distracting.

Fifth, Senator Biden lost a few points with me because he didn't speak to the camera very often.

Sixth, he did a very good of speaking to the audience and the moderator.

Seventh, he stuck to the rules agreed upon in advance and he clearly prepared to talk about everything.

Eight, he clearly came across as a professional statesman.

Dezdmona wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:Quick question: How (why) is it relevant how much Sarah Palin spends to dress without, discussing what the other candidates spend, too?

ALL these people have high level political jobs and I would expect them to dress in professional business attire.
Not only that, I would expect them to wear high quality clothes. They're representing our Government.
Anyone who wants to represent the USA should look like they're representing the greatest nation in the world, and not a nation on the decline. IMHO.

To me, it's not how much she spends on her clothes or accessories or anything. I completely expect her to look the part, name brands and all.

What baffles me is that she looks like a million bucks, but when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

Which was the point I was trying to make, I don't care how much she spends on clothes or glasses or shoes or anything else, my point is that she is trying to identify with the Wal-Mart crowd by talking down to them, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, but that is hard for me to buy with a $10,000 outfit

Honestly, I find your comment insulting. Do you really believe her suit cost $10,000?

I can think of positives and negatives of each (VP) candidate.
This woman has or is facing family issues that confront many American families.
As, has Joe Biden.
While the specific issues they've faced have differed (single parenthood, teen pregnancy, children with special needs, small town issues, living outside the "bubble", etc...), I don't think it means they can't empathize with things the "average" american faces.

But while you say you don't care what she spend on clothes, you are obviously attempting to quantify her candidacy based on her "$10,000 suit", which is short-sighted IMHO.

Obviously I am not making myself clear enough so let me try once more, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, her words not mine, how can she do this while wearing designer clothes and accessories worth more than a lot of Americans make in a week. When most of the people I know have to shop the discount rack or at discount stores, my problem is not with what she wears but how she tries to make herself a regular Jane, for me the two don't mix. It's not about sympathizing with Americans, which all the candidates have done and can do. It is about her image. She tries to be folksy, which is a nice word for redneckish, and talks down to people and I find that patronizing, that's just me. Just another element in the dumbing down of America IMHO. I know I'm biased and I admit it. As for the $10,000 reference that was simply a facetious exaggeration, I don't know how much it cost.

Her (their?) 2007 tax return was just released...income of $166,000...

certainly not what I'd call middle income; however, I know a lot of two income households that have income in that very range.

I dunno, I kinda think she's laid back and appears to connect with her children/family quite well.

Why would you think she's not pretty close to just average American soccer/hockey mom?


UAH, you have issues with folksy and redneckish?

How do you know that she doesn't shop at very upscale discount shops? You can purchase designer clothing at well below cost at these stores.

here is what I told a friend earlier

She looked great from both a HOT VP Nominee chick standpoint and her answers.

The smirks on Biden's face really turned me off.

I noticed she was busy selling herself and McCain and Biden was only interested in bashing Bush and McCain.

I don't think it was decisive enough win on her part to rally a lot more support for the McCain/Palin ticket but we'll see.

Moonie wrote:Her (their?) 2007 tax return was just released...income of $166,000...

certainly not what I'd call middle income; however, I know a lot of two income households that have income in that very range.

I dunno, I kinda think she's laid back and appears to connect with her children/family quite well.

Why would you think she's not pretty close to just average American soccer/hockey mom?


UAH, you have issues with folksy and redneckish?

How do you know that she doesn't shop at very upscale discount shops? You can purchase designer clothing at well below cost at these stores.

No I have a problem with a politician talking to me like I'm an idiot, I'm about as country as you can get, but I don't like someone talking down to me, but I guess I'm just being an asshat so I'll just shut up

UAHparrothead wrote:

Moonie wrote:Her (their?) 2007 tax return was just released...income of $166,000...

certainly not what I'd call middle income; however, I know a lot of two income households that have income in that very range.

I dunno, I kinda think she's laid back and appears to connect with her children/family quite well.

Why would you think she's not pretty close to just average American soccer/hockey mom?


UAH, you have issues with folksy and redneckish?

How do you know that she doesn't shop at very upscale discount shops? You can purchase designer clothing at well below cost at these stores.

No I have a problem with a politician talking to me like I'm an idiot, I'm about as country as you can get, but I don't like someone talking down to me, but I guess I'm just being an asshat so I'll just shut up

Hey, I hope you aren't shutting up over something I've said..because I probably won't vote for that ticket, anyway...or, I might.

I dunno and I think that there is going to be quite a few voters that feel the same way I do...

it's going to be a decision made a few seconds before I cast my ballot.

Personally, I think they all stink, but to be fair, I do think she held her own with Biden. From a female stance, I was glad to see her do as well as I thought she did.

I don't see it really makes much difference who won or lost last night, where it's going to matter is who the undecided voters are going to vote.

Moonie wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

Moonie wrote:Her (their?) 2007 tax return was just released...income of $166,000...

certainly not what I'd call middle income; however, I know a lot of two income households that have income in that very range.

I dunno, I kinda think she's laid back and appears to connect with her children/family quite well.

Why would you think she's not pretty close to just average American soccer/hockey mom?


UAH, you have issues with folksy and redneckish?

How do you know that she doesn't shop at very upscale discount shops? You can purchase designer clothing at well below cost at these stores.

No I have a problem with a politician talking to me like I'm an idiot, I'm about as country as you can get, but I don't like someone talking down to me, but I guess I'm just being an asshat so I'll just shut up

Hey, I hope you aren't shutting up over something I've said..because I probably won't vote for that ticket, anyway...or, I might.

I dunno and I think that there is going to be quite a few voters that feel the same way I do...

it's going to be a decision made a few seconds before I cast my ballot.

Personally, I think they all stink, but to be fair, I do think she held her own with Biden. From a female stance, I was glad to see her do as well as I thought she did.

I don't see it really makes much difference who won or lost last night, where it's going to matter is who the undecided voters are going to vote.

I'm sorry for being so p***, I'm just having a bad night

UAHparrothead wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:Quick question: How (why) is it relevant how much Sarah Palin spends to dress without, discussing what the other candidates spend, too?

ALL these people have high level political jobs and I would expect them to dress in professional business attire.
Not only that, I would expect them to wear high quality clothes. They're representing our Government.
Anyone who wants to represent the USA should look like they're representing the greatest nation in the world, and not a nation on the decline. IMHO.

To me, it's not how much she spends on her clothes or accessories or anything. I completely expect her to look the part, name brands and all.

What baffles me is that she looks like a million bucks, but when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

Which was the point I was trying to make, I don't care how much she spends on clothes or glasses or shoes or anything else, my point is that she is trying to identify with the Wal-Mart crowd by talking down to them, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, but that is hard for me to buy with a $10,000 outfit

Honestly, I find your comment insulting. Do you really believe her suit cost $10,000?

I can think of positives and negatives of each (VP) candidate.
This woman has or is facing family issues that confront many American families.
As, has Joe Biden.
While the specific issues they've faced have differed (single parenthood, teen pregnancy, children with special needs, small town issues, living outside the "bubble", etc...), I don't think it means they can't empathize with things the "average" american faces.

But while you say you don't care what she spend on clothes, you are obviously attempting to quantify her candidacy based on her "$10,000 suit", which is short-sighted IMHO.

Obviously I am not making myself clear enough so let me try once more, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, her words not mine, how can she do this while wearing designer clothes and accessories worth more than a lot of Americans make in a week. When most of the people I know have to shop the discount rack or at discount stores, my problem is not with what she wears but how she tries to make herself a regular Jane, for me the two don't mix. It's not about sympathizing with Americans, which all the candidates have done and can do. It is about her image. She tries to be folksy, which is a nice word for redneckish, and talks down to people and I find that patronizing, that's just me. Just another element in the dumbing down of America IMHO. I know I'm biased and I admit it. As for the $10,000 reference that was simply a facetious exaggeration, I don't know how much it cost.

What I find interesting is that I use language similar to what she does (but then I'm Texan).
I don't see it as talking down to people or "dumbing down" as you call it, but rather a refreshing relief from the elitism that I've heard from people (like John Kerry) who have no conceptualization of what an average Jane's lifestyle like mine is like.

I guess "everything is true...from a certain point of view".

Dezdmona wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:Quick question: How (why) is it relevant how much Sarah Palin spends to dress without, discussing what the other candidates spend, too?

ALL these people have high level political jobs and I would expect them to dress in professional business attire.
Not only that, I would expect them to wear high quality clothes. They're representing our Government.
Anyone who wants to represent the USA should look like they're representing the greatest nation in the world, and not a nation on the decline. IMHO.

To me, it's not how much she spends on her clothes or accessories or anything. I completely expect her to look the part, name brands and all.

What baffles me is that she looks like a million bucks, but when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

Which was the point I was trying to make, I don't care how much she spends on clothes or glasses or shoes or anything else, my point is that she is trying to identify with the Wal-Mart crowd by talking down to them, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, but that is hard for me to buy with a $10,000 outfit

Honestly, I find your comment insulting. Do you really believe her suit cost $10,000?

I can think of positives and negatives of each (VP) candidate.
This woman has or is facing family issues that confront many American families.
As, has Joe Biden.
While the specific issues they've faced have differed (single parenthood, teen pregnancy, children with special needs, small town issues, living outside the "bubble", etc...), I don't think it means they can't empathize with things the "average" american faces.

But while you say you don't care what she spend on clothes, you are obviously attempting to quantify her candidacy based on her "$10,000 suit", which is short-sighted IMHO.

Obviously I am not making myself clear enough so let me try once more, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, her words not mine, how can she do this while wearing designer clothes and accessories worth more than a lot of Americans make in a week. When most of the people I know have to shop the discount rack or at discount stores, my problem is not with what she wears but how she tries to make herself a regular Jane, for me the two don't mix. It's not about sympathizing with Americans, which all the candidates have done and can do. It is about her image. She tries to be folksy, which is a nice word for redneckish, and talks down to people and I find that patronizing, that's just me. Just another element in the dumbing down of America IMHO. I know I'm biased and I admit it. As for the $10,000 reference that was simply a facetious exaggeration, I don't know how much it cost.

What I find interesting is that I use language similar to what she does (but then I'm Texan).
I don't see it as talking down to people or "dumbing down" as you call it, but rather a refreshing relief from the elitism that I've heard from people (like John Kerry) who have no conceptualization of what an average Jane's lifestyle like mine is like.

I guess "everything is true...from a certain point of view".

I understand where you are coming from, but I just wonder if she is genuine. But that might be my bias coming through. And you are correct Obi Wan Just don't tell me Darth Vader is my father

What I find interesting is that I use language similar to what she does (but then I'm Texan).
I don't see it as talking down to people or "dumbing down" as you call it, but rather a refreshing relief from the elitism that I've heard from people (like John Kerry) who have no conceptualization of what an average Jane's lifestyle like mine is like.

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I'll go along with you on the point that she may use similar language to what I use also, She talks like people I talk to everyday.....but I'm also not remotely qualified to be VP. I know lots of soccer moms that talk just like her...and none of them are qualified to be VP either....that's great that she talks like you or me.....but I don't think we would be qualified to go toe to toe with Putin...do you?

UAHparrothead wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:

UAHparrothead wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

Dezdmona wrote:Quick question: How (why) is it relevant how much Sarah Palin spends to dress without, discussing what the other candidates spend, too?

ALL these people have high level political jobs and I would expect them to dress in professional business attire.
Not only that, I would expect them to wear high quality clothes. They're representing our Government.
Anyone who wants to represent the USA should look like they're representing the greatest nation in the world, and not a nation on the decline. IMHO.

To me, it's not how much she spends on her clothes or accessories or anything. I completely expect her to look the part, name brands and all.

What baffles me is that she looks like a million bucks, but when she opens her mouth, she speaks as well as a high schooler.

Which was the point I was trying to make, I don't care how much she spends on clothes or glasses or shoes or anything else, my point is that she is trying to identify with the Wal-Mart crowd by talking down to them, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, but that is hard for me to buy with a $10,000 outfit

Honestly, I find your comment insulting. Do you really believe her suit cost $10,000?

I can think of positives and negatives of each (VP) candidate.
This woman has or is facing family issues that confront many American families.
As, has Joe Biden.
While the specific issues they've faced have differed (single parenthood, teen pregnancy, children with special needs, small town issues, living outside the "bubble", etc...), I don't think it means they can't empathize with things the "average" american faces.

But while you say you don't care what she spend on clothes, you are obviously attempting to quantify her candidacy based on her "$10,000 suit", which is short-sighted IMHO.

Obviously I am not making myself clear enough so let me try once more, she tries to come off like Joe Six-pack, her words not mine, how can she do this while wearing designer clothes and accessories worth more than a lot of Americans make in a week. When most of the people I know have to shop the discount rack or at discount stores, my problem is not with what she wears but how she tries to make herself a regular Jane, for me the two don't mix. It's not about sympathizing with Americans, which all the candidates have done and can do. It is about her image. She tries to be folksy, which is a nice word for redneckish, and talks down to people and I find that patronizing, that's just me. Just another element in the dumbing down of America IMHO. I know I'm biased and I admit it. As for the $10,000 reference that was simply a facetious exaggeration, I don't know how much it cost.

Which designer?