Game OFFICIALLY OVER for McCain and Palin!

[SchoolGirlHeart]

thank you, what I wrote may have been misinterpreted by some. All I was trying to say was that people are trying to make Obama out to be some kind of terrorist by association with someone for what they did 40 years ago. I have nothing but the utmost respect for McCain for what he had to endure. The ridiculousness of it is like trying to associate McCain with Communists. That's all I was trying to compare. period.

Everything else aside, what you said was:

...is like saying McCain collaborated with the communists as a POW, therefore, he must be a communist.

and what I said was:

McCain did not collaborate with the communists as a POW. Period.

You made it sound like it was a statement of fact that McCain collaborated with the communists. I wanted to to make it crystal clear that he did not.

[ph4ever]

I've just got to say this. I sit at home and watch the ads, not only for president but we're also electing a governor. What I see is a lot of mud slinging and not one candidate really addressing the real issues. Yeah they throw an idea here and there and some of those are freaking absurd. So it makes me wonder if they are making fools of the American public by throwing the thoughts of the public off the REAL issues. Let's face it - both sides have their own respective skeletons. They've already got a bunch of intelligent people slinging mud at each other on a freaking Jimmy Buffett discussion board - they're good.

[Wino you know]

Seriously, Garry? What good teachers at good schools are teaching is critical thinking. I know you work in a university town, but spend some time on a variety of campuses and dealing with a variety of colleges (even that left wing alma mater of mine just down the road from you) as I do, and you will see incredible research, thoughtful dialogue and critical thinking at most of them.

JEEZ, I thought you went to school at Grinell, not Coe College.

My sister has a doctorate degree and is the head of internal medicine at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls.
You don't think she and I have some lively discussions?

Her first name is Sue, and sometimes, just to break the boredom, I call her "Dr. SUEss", and HORSE SH*T & RADISHES, it's like Hillary Clinton having sixteen menstral cycles in a matter of two minutes.

[buffettbride]

thank you, what I wrote may have been misinterpreted by some. All I was trying to say was that people are trying to make Obama out to be some kind of terrorist by association with someone for what they did 40 years ago. I have nothing but the utmost respect for McCain for what he had to endure. The ridiculousness of it is like trying to associate McCain with Communists. That's all I was trying to compare. period.

Everything else aside, what you said was:

...is like saying McCain collaborated with the communists as a POW, therefore, he must be a communist.

and what I said was:

McCain did not collaborate with the communists as a POW. Period.

You made it sound like it was a statement of fact that McCain collaborated with the communists. I wanted to to make it crystal clear that he did not.

I totally read it the other way, as though there is no way that McCain collaborated with communists because it is just as ridiculous to say that as it is to think because Obama knows Ayers that he is a communist.

[rumdrinks]

thank you, what I wrote may have been misinterpreted by some. All I was trying to say was that people are trying to make Obama out to be some kind of terrorist by association with someone for what they did 40 years ago. I have nothing but the utmost respect for McCain for what he had to endure. The ridiculousness of it is like trying to associate McCain with Communists. That's all I was trying to compare. period.

Everything else aside, what you said was:

...is like saying McCain collaborated with the communists as a POW, therefore, he must be a communist.

and what I said was:

McCain did not collaborate with the communists as a POW. Period.

You made it sound like it was a statement of fact that McCain collaborated with the communists. I wanted to to make it crystal clear that he did not.

Again, I'm sorry if what I posted was misinterpreted. I know McCain did NOT collaborate. He was tortured. I'm not making light of that fact. Again, I was making an analogy of how ridiculous a comparison it is that SOME people are associating Obama as a terrorist.
Sometimes, what you think you are posting in type, does not come across as well as a spoken or mental line of thought.

[SchoolGirlHeart]

Now I remember why I don't post in political threads. No matter what you say, someone is going to twist it.

Bottom line this election: I got no one to vote for. They're all too damn busy throwing mud to even bother telling me how they're going to fix the f'ing economy or "support and defend the constitution of the United States"....

Done.

[flipflopgirl]

I've just got to say this. I sit at home and watch the ads, not only for president but we're also electing a governor. What I see is a lot of mud slinging and not one candidate really addressing the real issues. Yeah they throw an idea here and there and some of those are freaking absurd. So it makes me wonder if they are making fools of the American public by throwing the thoughts of the public off the REAL issues. Let's face it - both sides have their own respective skeletons. They've already got a bunch of intelligent people slinging mud at each other on a freaking Jimmy Buffett discussion board - they're good.

so very very true Connie!

[Lightning Bolt]

And Bill Ayers hasn't bombed anything in 30 years.

So that makes it ok?

Not in my book.



I still remember the names of the Marines that I buried in 1983. Senator "I have a bracelet too" Obama can't even remember the name of the soldier on the bracelet on his wrist.

Blowing up government buildings is a not a protest or a political statement. It's murder. If Ayers didn't kill anybody, it was not because he wasn't trying.

I was thinking the same thing E! If we allow ourselves to think its OK to create bombs and kill people then what separates us from the ANIMALS that flew those planes into the world trade center and pentagon? I'm sure they were justified in their reasoning too....murder is murder....

you're right... there is reasoning behind such acts.
These acts create casualties and collateral damage, but...

It is not to invade our shores, not to take over our country.
It is to create fear, to create sheer TERROR of the unknown.
To provoke us into waging war in a theater that cannot be easily defined.
To get us to argue and bicker over how to react with a satisfactory "eye for an eye" result, as if it were possible.
To expend funds, in fighting back, to a point where our financial system is burdened to the edge of collapse.
To create an IMPLOSION of the very foundations of our society.

For the largest extent of this effort to defend our American way of life, the strategy has not brought the villian to any measure of justice.
The diversion of Iraq is now a historically sad example of misguided strategies.

Next month, it is becoming clearer, day by day, that America is going to vote for a new strategy.

[mjeischen]

I like kites flying in pretty blue skies and girls in bikinis.

[Lightning Bolt]

I like kites flying in pretty blue skies and girls in bikinis.

Thank you for reminding me again of the tailgate NEXT WEEK at Buffett party inSD!!!

The REAL perspective must be kept!

[UAHparrothead]

Sarah Silverman had the best description for Palin tonight, "She's as off-putting as a beauty contestant, but without the desire for world peace."

[LaTda!]

I didn't feel McCain connecting with me at all and he kept calling me his friend . . .

agreed.
As far as preferring McCain, a 26-year veteran of Washington D.C., over the less experienced Obama,
this video from a past banking regulator ought to lend some REAL perspective about shady past relationships....

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo

Thank you for the link!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew McBush was 1 of the 5 but this video explains it well..

[LaTda!]

I've just got to say this. I sit at home and watch the ads, not only for president but we're also electing a governor. What I see is a lot of mud slinging and not one candidate really addressing the real issues. Yeah they throw an idea here and there and some of those are freaking absurd. So it makes me wonder if they are making fools of the American public by throwing the thoughts of the public off the REAL issues. Let's face it - both sides have their own respective skeletons. They've already got a bunch of intelligent people slinging mud at each other on a freaking Jimmy Buffett discussion board - they're good.

..better than slinging monkey poo at each other

.. damn girl, I just spewed out some poptart at the sight of your av, lmao!!

[frognot]

I like kites flying in pretty blue skies and girls in bikinis.

And cold beer & good tequila!

[ScarletB]

I've just got to say this. I sit at home and watch the ads, not only for president but we're also electing a governor. What I see is a lot of mud slinging and not one candidate really addressing the real issues. Yeah they throw an idea here and there and some of those are freaking absurd. So it makes me wonder if they are making fools of the American public by throwing the thoughts of the public off the REAL issues. Let's face it - both sides have their own respective skeletons. They've already got a bunch of intelligent people slinging mud at each other on a freaking Jimmy Buffett discussion board - they're good.

so very very true Connie!

Well, Obama is apparently going to run a full half hour TV ad, should be interesting to see what it says. I did see one last night that was just him talking for what seemed like a full minute about why, in his opinion, trickle down economics didn't work. Now neither candidate can explain the ins and outs of their plan in a 30 second sound bite and that's part of the problem. But I've never seen this before so I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what he does with that kind of time.

I REALLY have to stop reading these threads, my stomach is in a knot when I open them and I don't want to inadvertantly p*ss someone off and since I'm not changing my mind I seriously doubt anyone else here with a strong enough opinion to post is going to change THEIRS either. It's an exercise in futility. I guess we post here since no one who actually HAS control listens to us.

I really think I'll go back to the MOTM thread where life is happy!

[flyboy55]

I'm sorry, trying to make some kind of "evil" connection between Obama and Ayers is like saying McCain collaborated with the communists as a POW, therefore, he must be a communist.

McCain did not collaborate with the communists as a POW. Period.

ya just gotta hate these liberal idiots on BN no matter who you are

I think this remark violates the rules of the forum, because it is a slander directed, not at some third party outside of this forum, but at folks who post here.

While I don't consider myself a 'liberal idiot' I know that others here clearly do, so there is little doubt about who this remark was intended for.

If some may consider the remark too general for the forum rules to apply, consider the result if my posts contained remarks like 'these goose-stepping right wing morons on BN'.

I know that sometimes folks post things that they later regret, usually because they're having a bad day or week or . . . whatever.

So Rick, I'm sending some good thoughts your way.

(((((((Rick)))))))

[FunkHouse9]

Here's a big hug for you.

(((((Rick))))) XOXOXO

FYI, I put my Obama shirt on especially for this hug!

[flyboy55]

And Bill Ayers hasn't bombed anything in 30 years.

So that makes it ok?

Not in my book.



I still remember the names of the Marines that I buried in 1983. Senator "I have a bracelet too" Obama can't even remember the name of the soldier on the bracelet on his wrist.

Blowing up government buildings is a not a protest or a political statement. It's murder. If Ayers didn't kill anybody, it was not because he wasn't trying.

Are you implying that Barack Obama had something to do with bombing the Marine barracks in Beirut or Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City?

No wait . . . that's ridiculous. Nobody would suggest such a thing (nobody in their right mind that is).

This 'guilt by association' thing reminds me of that moment in scaling a rock face when you're literally hanging on by your fingernails and three of your ten toes, feeling that every little puff of air is about to gently lift you off the rock and send you to the end of your rope.

I think the McCain campaign have latched on to this Bill Ayers thing as that one little 'nub of granite' that is going to save them.

There really is nothing substantial there, certainly nothing to tie Obama to Bill Ayers actions or views four decades ago. Knowing this, Sarah Palin and others have tried to suggest that even being in the same room with Ayers is somehow a reflection of poor judgment on the part of Obama.

On this point, if someone were concerned about past associations and poor judgment, I would be more concerned about a real and substantial connection.

Sarah Palin's husband Todd and his active membership from 1995 to 2002 in the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group advocating secession from the United States is the kind of thing that should raise questions about who stands more firmly for the United States of America. You can't deny Sarah's close association with Todd Palin - I think she sleeps with the guy. You can't avoid acknowledging also that Todd Palin, until recently, was actively contributing his time and effort to a radical group that wants Alaska to secede from the rest of the country and take their oil and gas with them.

I would say that Sarah Palin's ties to someone who was at odds with the government of the United States are much stronger than Barack Obama's.

In fact, because of his recently held views (does he still hold them? I don't know) against this country I'd say that Todd Palin has something in common with the late Timothy McVeigh.

[FunkHouse9]

Knowing this, Sarah Palin and others have tried to suggest that even being in the same room with Ayers is somehow a reflection of poor judgment on the part of Obama.

If you're going to say being the same room is a reflection of poor judgement then what about this?

[FunkHouse9]

Sarah Palin's husband Todd and his active membership from 1995 to 2002 in the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group advocating secession from the United States is the kind of thing that should raise questions about who stands more firmly for the United States of America. You can't deny Sarah's close association with Todd Palin - I think she sleeps with the guy. You can't avoid acknowledging also that Todd Palin, until recently, was actively contributing his time and effort to a radical group that wants Alaska to secede from the rest of the country and take their oil and gas with them.

I would say that Sarah Palin's ties to someone who was at odds with the government of the United States are much stronger than Barack Obama's.

What I don't get is why the Democrats seem to just shake off the smear campaigns against them, yet, something like this doesn't get shoved to the forefront of the campaign. Assuming it's even marginally accurate, which I have no idea if it is, but I presume it could be, they should be putting this type of stuff on billboards and trying to bury her with it. I don't see why they don't.