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The Future of MOTM?

Posted: November 12, 2008 4:08 pm
by Bob Heffelfinger
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On behalf of the PHIP Board of Directors,

The question was asked and the BOD agrees it is a valid question:

"Why don't the powers-that-be move MOTM to a different location?"

Orchestrating MOTM includes contacts with the city, Chamber of Commerce, police and fire departments, staging and sound engineers, bars, restaurants, the host hotel, the committee chairs, the members who volunteer to work on committees, the vendors, and yes, even the Port-a-Potty people - just to name a few!

As to the location requirements; we must have space for Goodie Bag stuffing, Registration, the Mini Mart, meeting rooms, the Auction, Raffle Items, storage and location for two stages. At the Casa Marina we have all of these things, in addition to a beach that gives us the ability to throw the biggest PH Party ever! We have looked at many other locations over the years and every one has been lacking in one way or another. While many people are unhappy with the changes to the Casa and the prices, it is still the best place to fit our needs and we will continue to work with them to address your concerns.

In addition, IF we were to leave Key West, even for a year or two, there are no guarantees that we can come back. Fantasy Fest has the week before us and the Boat races the week after. Booking somewhere else for even one year could cost us our “spot” on the calendar. We also have sponsorship and wonderful support from Margaritaville and many other local establishments we would lose if we were to leave.

And of course, there is the weather; many locations are too cold in early November. Many of our events are outside and there are a great number of us attending. The BoD, just a few years ago, convinced Key West to allow 3500 attendees; other than convention buildings, most cities don't have acceptable areas for our style of events. Convincing the host city that we will respect their city, and gain their trust, is difficult, but in Key West the KWPD and the KWFD set up friendly booths in our events!

Moving within Key West is a possibility, but all of the large venues in Key West have one or more flaws. Some do not have a large outdoor area, some do not have meeting spaces, a few do not have enough rooms, and most do not have the beach.

We are not required to do things the same way as before, and we could limit the numbers, and we could use a shorter time, and we could charge more for the event (if we don't have our regular sponsors); we just don't think that will be accepted by the general membership.

The next question and concern we have been hearing is the dates of the Convention. The first weekend in November is a tradition as well as a lesser expensive time of the year. There is no way we could schedule the convention in late November, it is Thanksgiving and it is too close to Christmas. As far as having the convention in the spring, it comes down to dollars again; summer is hurricane season, not to mention sweltering! Also keep in mind we can't just change it for next year. While you are recovering from this year’s convention, we are already working on the contracts for 2011.

In short, each year we consider all of these issues, and each year, the dotted lines bring us right back to Key West. And, we reiterate, the BoD does look at this issue EVERY year.

Our convention is only as good as its attendees, and we are a STRONG bunch of people ... We have earned the respect of an entire community over the years in spite of the perceived PH reputation ... That cannot just be moved to another place or time.

Jimmy Pattavina

President, PHiP 2008 & 2009

402 477 7717 voice-fax-data
Cell 402 429 8757
jamespattavina@prodigy.net
James A Pattavina
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Lincoln NE 68502

Posted: November 12, 2008 4:19 pm
by Salukulady
Biloxi?

Re: The Future of MOTM?

Posted: November 12, 2008 4:22 pm
by Workin' the Room
The drawback to this is that it gives the Casa a great deal of leverage in their treatment of MOTM attendees. "We can continue to treat you like something we'd wipe off the bottom of our shoes; raise prices well beyond the rate of inflation; and in general make your time at the host location less than favourable. And there's nothing you can do about it, so s*** it up."

Posted: November 12, 2008 4:22 pm
by popcornjack
I think, as expensive as Key West is, moving to a different location is pretty much out of the question, many people use MOTM as their reason for going to KW. It gives them a chance to go on vacation somewhere they already have an affinity for because of Jimmy Buffett and it gives them a chance to see friends from all over the country that they wouldn't be able to see every year if they had to travel to various different spots.

As for in key West itself, it think the Casa, while not perfect, is the best for the reasons stated: it provides all the ammenities that are needed to run the event as smoothly as possible. Would it be nice to have the "base of operations" at the other end of Duval street, or even somewhere in the middle, somewhat more centrally located to all of the other events? Sure, but then what is being sacrificed to make that happen and will the trade off be worth it? probably not. And it's not like KW is that big an island. To get to/from the casa to any of the other events isn't that hard a prospect, and no matter what other arrangements are made, there is no way someone could do EVERYTHING that is scheduled, no matter where home base is.

Posted: November 12, 2008 4:36 pm
by z-man
BH/Jimmy
thanx for the post!

much as we all like to b*tch about various elements of the annual convention,
the amount of effort to put this on is appreciated.

I have attended large events in many of the potential alternate locations, and Key West has more advantages than disadvantages compared to all of them. The fact that our favorite musicians can get numerous gigs in Key West in addition to their "official" shows, means there are lots of opportunities to see folks rather than just once or twice.

Looking forward to next November in Key West!

Posted: November 12, 2008 5:20 pm
by momsrule27
I can't see it anywhere else but KW but it does seem that the Casa could do much more to make us feel welcomed. I heard of people not being allowed to sit by the pool because they didn't have a room there and other hotel guests complaining that the event was there which is totally not MOTM fault. The Casa should let people know that there is a large event going on but I guess then the risk the loss of rooms.

Char

Posted: November 12, 2008 5:45 pm
by pema
momsrule27 wrote:I can't see it anywhere else but KW but it does seem that the Casa could do much more to make us feel welcomed. I heard of people not being allowed to sit by the pool because they didn't have a room there and other hotel guests complaining that the event was there which is totally not MOTM fault. The Casa should let people know that there is a large event going on but I guess then the risk the loss of rooms.

Char
i heard that they do.

and i wonder what the contract says about which parts of the facility we are renting. is the pool area included?

Posted: November 12, 2008 5:48 pm
by pema
z-man wrote:BH/Jimmy
thanx for the post!

much as we all like to b*tch about various elements of the annual convention,
the amount of effort to put this on is appreciated.

I have attended large events in many of the potential alternate locations, and Key West has more advantages than disadvantages compared to all of them. The fact that our favorite musicians can get numerous gigs in Key West in addition to their "official" shows, means there are lots of opportunities to see folks rather than just once or twice.

Looking forward to next November in Key West!
[smilie=gt-happyup.gif] absolutely!

Posted: November 12, 2008 6:30 pm
by ScarletB
Jack makes a lot of great points I thought the whole thing was terrific. Granted, I stayed at the Casa, I found out later that the price they gave us was less than half of what it would normally cost which means it would be out of my range otherwise. I was treated as I would expect for a hotel that pricey, they could not have been nicer, even though I was paying substantially less. Another BNer was having stomach issues and they baked a small loaf of bread especially for her and even suggested a concoction for her to drink to settle her stomach, she never asked, it was volunteered. When we went to get beach chairs they never asked to see a room key or anything, just looked at our wrist bands and said "OK you're good" they set up our umbrellas and chairs and in general took good care of us. After reading about last year I had some trepidation about reserving there but the beach and the hammocks and being right where a lot of the action was ended up being too good to pass up.


Let me add my thanks to the people who no doubt had a lot of sleepless nights over setting this up. I can't even imagine what it takes to put something like this together so we can all relax and enjoy it.

Posted: November 12, 2008 7:23 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
More later, but I do think the Casa's attitude seemed far better this year than last year.

Posted: November 12, 2008 7:27 pm
by pema
ScarletB wrote:Jack makes a lot of great points I thought the whole thing was terrific. Granted, I stayed at the Casa, I found out later that the price they gave us was less than half of what it would normally cost which means it would be out of my range otherwise. I was treated as I would expect for a hotel that pricey, they could not have been nicer, even though I was paying substantially less. Another BNer was having stomach issues and they baked a small loaf of bread especially for her and even suggested a concoction for her to drink to settle her stomach, she never asked, it was volunteered. When we went to get beach chairs they never asked to see a room key or anything, just looked at our wrist bands and said "OK you're good" they set up our umbrellas and chairs and in general took good care of us. After reading about last year I had some trepidation about reserving there but the beach and the hammocks and being right where a lot of the action was ended up being too good to pass up.


Let me add my thanks to the people who no doubt had a lot of sleepless nights over setting this up. I can't even imagine what it takes to put something like this together so we can all relax and enjoy it.
that might have had more to do with the economy than anything else [smilie=noeyedear-shrugging.gif]

Posted: November 12, 2008 7:35 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
pema wrote:
ScarletB wrote:Jack makes a lot of great points I thought the whole thing was terrific. Granted, I stayed at the Casa, I found out later that the price they gave us was less than half of what it would normally cost which means it would be out of my range otherwise. I was treated as I would expect for a hotel that pricey, they could not have been nicer, even though I was paying substantially less. Another BNer was having stomach issues and they baked a small loaf of bread especially for her and even suggested a concoction for her to drink to settle her stomach, she never asked, it was volunteered. When we went to get beach chairs they never asked to see a room key or anything, just looked at our wrist bands and said "OK you're good" they set up our umbrellas and chairs and in general took good care of us. After reading about last year I had some trepidation about reserving there but the beach and the hammocks and being right where a lot of the action was ended up being too good to pass up.


Let me add my thanks to the people who no doubt had a lot of sleepless nights over setting this up. I can't even imagine what it takes to put something like this together so we can all relax and enjoy it.
that might have had more to do with the economy than anything else [smilie=noeyedear-shrugging.gif]
I don't think so... The Casa, while still steep, has offered "Parrothead Rates" for MOTM every time I've been there.

Posted: November 12, 2008 8:18 pm
by flipflopgirl
there have been many good points made here..and i love KW and will go to MOTM to see the many great Trop Rock artists and see my friends. I WON'T stay at the Casa...i don't like what they have done with it...just my opinion. I really enjoyed staying in a townhouse in Truman Annex and hope to do that from now on..it was a great area and close to many of the places i like to go! I did go to the Casa to register, shop in the mini mart and i saw 2 shows there and that was enough for me.

my only thought on changing the place where MOTM is to maybe give those on the West coast a better chance of attending...flights for some from there can cost upwards of close to $1,000.

Posted: November 12, 2008 10:40 pm
by Salukulady
Thank you from the West Coast, Christine.
I still say when Jimmy's casino in Biloxi is completed, why wouldn't that make a great place for MOTM. Or if Key West doesn't want to lose us, how about MOTM1/2 held in May every year. Come'on it's logical, we could take over the whole hotel and casino and Jimmy would get all the $$$.....

Posted: November 12, 2008 10:49 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
Salukulady wrote:Thank you from the West Coast, Christine.
I still say when Jimmy's casino in Biloxi is completed, why wouldn't that make a great place for MOTM. Or if Key West doesn't want to lose us, how about MOTM1/2 held in May every year. Come'on it's logical, we could take over the whole hotel and casino and Jimmy would get all the $$$.....
The down side of that would be that all the artists who go to KW during MOTM but aren't part of MOTM would be missing... KW offers the opportunity for all kinds of music in the evenings at a variety of venues, including sunset sails. That would be lost if MOTM moved to a one-venue location. I'd have to think hard about whether I'd go to MOTM in another location. My initial reaction is, "Probably not."

Mid year mini-MOTM in Biloxi would be great though!

Posted: November 12, 2008 10:51 pm
by Salukulady
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:Thank you from the West Coast, Christine.
I still say when Jimmy's casino in Biloxi is completed, why wouldn't that make a great place for MOTM. Or if Key West doesn't want to lose us, how about MOTM1/2 held in May every year. Come'on it's logical, we could take over the whole hotel and casino and Jimmy would get all the $$$.....
The down side of that would be that all the artists who go to KW during MOTM but aren't part of MOTM would be missing... KW offers the opportunity for all kinds of music in the evenings at a variety of venues, including sunset sails. That would be lost if MOTM moved to a one-venue location. I'd have to think hard about whether I'd go to MOTM in another location. My initial reaction is, "Probably not."

Mid year mini-MOTM in Biloxi would be great though!
Bet Jimmy would show.....

Posted: November 12, 2008 10:55 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
Salukulady wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:Thank you from the West Coast, Christine.
I still say when Jimmy's casino in Biloxi is completed, why wouldn't that make a great place for MOTM. Or if Key West doesn't want to lose us, how about MOTM1/2 held in May every year. Come'on it's logical, we could take over the whole hotel and casino and Jimmy would get all the $$$.....
The down side of that would be that all the artists who go to KW during MOTM but aren't part of MOTM would be missing... KW offers the opportunity for all kinds of music in the evenings at a variety of venues, including sunset sails. That would be lost if MOTM moved to a one-venue location. I'd have to think hard about whether I'd go to MOTM in another location. My initial reaction is, "Probably not."

Mid year mini-MOTM in Biloxi would be great though!
Bet Jimmy would show.....
But I don't go to MOTM to see Jimmy! :lol: :lol: :D

Posted: November 12, 2008 11:00 pm
by Salukulady
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:Thank you from the West Coast, Christine.
I still say when Jimmy's casino in Biloxi is completed, why wouldn't that make a great place for MOTM. Or if Key West doesn't want to lose us, how about MOTM1/2 held in May every year. Come'on it's logical, we could take over the whole hotel and casino and Jimmy would get all the $$$.....
The down side of that would be that all the artists who go to KW during MOTM but aren't part of MOTM would be missing... KW offers the opportunity for all kinds of music in the evenings at a variety of venues, including sunset sails. That would be lost if MOTM moved to a one-venue location. I'd have to think hard about whether I'd go to MOTM in another location. My initial reaction is, "Probably not."

Mid year mini-MOTM in Biloxi would be great though!
Bet Jimmy would show.....
But I don't go to MOTM to see Jimmy! :lol: :lol: :D
Understood.

Posted: November 12, 2008 11:03 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
Salukulady wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:Thank you from the West Coast, Christine.
I still say when Jimmy's casino in Biloxi is completed, why wouldn't that make a great place for MOTM. Or if Key West doesn't want to lose us, how about MOTM1/2 held in May every year. Come'on it's logical, we could take over the whole hotel and casino and Jimmy would get all the $$$.....
The down side of that would be that all the artists who go to KW during MOTM but aren't part of MOTM would be missing... KW offers the opportunity for all kinds of music in the evenings at a variety of venues, including sunset sails. That would be lost if MOTM moved to a one-venue location. I'd have to think hard about whether I'd go to MOTM in another location. My initial reaction is, "Probably not."

Mid year mini-MOTM in Biloxi would be great though!
Bet Jimmy would show.....
But I don't go to MOTM to see Jimmy! :lol: :lol: :D
Understood.
I'd really miss all the other artists if they moved MOTM. I'm all for adding other events in other places, but hope they leave MOTM where it is. :D

Posted: November 12, 2008 11:04 pm
by flipflopgirl
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
Salukulady wrote:Thank you from the West Coast, Christine.
I still say when Jimmy's casino in Biloxi is completed, why wouldn't that make a great place for MOTM. Or if Key West doesn't want to lose us, how about MOTM1/2 held in May every year. Come'on it's logical, we could take over the whole hotel and casino and Jimmy would get all the $$$.....
The down side of that would be that all the artists who go to KW during MOTM but aren't part of MOTM would be missing... KW offers the opportunity for all kinds of music in the evenings at a variety of venues, including sunset sails. That would be lost if MOTM moved to a one-venue location. I'd have to think hard about whether I'd go to MOTM in another location. My initial reaction is, "Probably not."

Mid year mini-MOTM in Biloxi would be great though!
Bet Jimmy would show.....
But I don't go to MOTM to see Jimmy! :lol: :lol: :D

ME EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

but i do go to see that guy in my avatar with me!!!!

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