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There has never EVER EVER been a car made that's worth $40,000.00.

I don't care if it wipes your a$$ when you take a CRAP!
NO vehicle is worth that kind of money.

Dezdmona wrote:

z-man wrote:

TropicalTroubador wrote:I agree that demand for American cars needs to be higher, but I think your approach is bass-ackwards.

American car companies need to make better cars, and they need to be *perceived* as making better cars. Until I am much more certain that an American car is going to last me at least ten years and 200K miles, I ain't buying one. *That's* what Detroit needs to address, and I don't think they're going to get there by stifling competition...again. This was tried in the early 80s. All it did was raise the cost of foreign cars; the Big Three didn't change a d@mn thing about how they did business in order to compete.

If we don't learn from history, we will only repeat it.

GM is building cars and trucks that are good for 200K right now
the problem is getting people to believe it.


agreed that tarrifs are a terrible idea

But z, perception IS reality.
Americans didn't come by their belief that foreign cars are better made than american cars by fluke.
It was from experience. And it will take experience to reverse that trend.

So until Detroit makes a better car that is borne out by time, perception is not likely to change.
A lot of folks have already jumped ship because of prior experience with an inferior product.
It's going to take something special to get them to come back.
Just MHO.

have owned 4 GM products since I started driving 30 years ago. 68, 76 Impalas, both had tons of mileage before they died (212k on the 76). 90 and 93 Bonneville, the latter is still the car of record and runs very well.

If I were to pick up a new one, it would be the G6. Got no problems with GM products, and frankly (thank you for mentioning the fact that shedding the pension plan via bankruptcy just shifts the cost of the problem from category A, to Category B within the general area of "The Gov't picks up the tab and passes on the obligation to the taxpayers" just like they did when Big Steel crashed.) probably won't in the quality area. In their management area, sticking with SUVs even after gas hit $2 a gal in 2001, that was retarded and another story.