2009 Baseball Season

[TommyBahama]

Rumor has it Varitek has through Sat to take the 1 year 5 mil offer!!

[aeroparrot]

Rumor has it Varitek has through Sat to take the 1 year 5 mil offer!!

It's on boston.com now.

[Frank4]

Anyone have any thoughts on where Manny is going to wind up?

[aeroparrot]

Anyone have any thoughts on where Manny is going to wind up?

I would probably say no where at the beginning of the season. In the middle of the season, a team in playoff contention and needs an extra boost will pick him up (my guess... the Mets, Phillies, Yankees, or the Cubs).

[Frank4]

Anyone have any thoughts on where Manny is going to wind up?

I would probably say no where at the beginning of the season. In the middle of the season, a team in playoff contention and needs an extra boost will pick him up (my guess... the Mets, Phillies, Yankees, or the Cubs).

Those would all be good spots for him. Boras is really looking like a fool for not being able to get him a deal.

I would not hold out against either L.A team picking him up either.

[aeroparrot]

Anyone have any thoughts on where Manny is going to wind up?

I would probably say no where at the beginning of the season. In the middle of the season, a team in playoff contention and needs an extra boost will pick him up (my guess... the Mets, Phillies, Yankees, or the Cubs).

Those would all be good spots for him. Boras is really looking like a fool for not being able to get him a deal.

I would not hold out against either L.A team picking him up either.

If you use the LA theme, I would say the Angels more than the Dodgers.

[Bfan53again]

Speaking of Manny:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9138 ... -for-Manny

[Frank4]

Speaking of Manny:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9138 ... -for-Manny

He did fabulous in that line-up last year. I think he would do well in the Angel line-up also

[luvinlife]

SCREW MANNY!!!!!! He quit on his team he pushed a 65 year old man down cuz he didn't get him enough tix for his friends. He is just gonna do the same thing all over again......He is a overpaid baby who need to be out of work and see if he likes it!!!!

[SharkOnLand]

Loyalty as shown by first-class players like Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. is, I'm afraid, becoming a rather rare commodity in today's sports world....too bad.

It works both ways. Teams don't show any loyalty to the players anymore either.

[Bfan53again]

Loyalty as shown by first-class players like Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. is, I'm afraid, becoming a rather rare commodity in today's sports world....too bad.

It works both ways. Teams don't show any loyalty to the players anymore either.

I'm listening........care to discuss?????

[C-Dawg]

Loyalty as shown by first-class players like Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. is, I'm afraid, becoming a rather rare commodity in today's sports world....too bad.

It works both ways. Teams don't show any loyalty to the players anymore either.

I'm listening........care to discuss?????

I'd say Dustin Pedroia showed loyalty to the Red Sox asking for half the money he could have gotten. They also got similar treatment from Kevin Youklis. Both are classy, hard working players that would prefer the team have money to surround them with quality players, than break the bank and suffer on a sub-par team.

[Bfan53again]

Loyalty as shown by first-class players like Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. is, I'm afraid, becoming a rather rare commodity in today's sports world....too bad.

It works both ways. Teams don't show any loyalty to the players anymore either.

I'm listening........care to discuss?????

I'd say Dustin Pedroia showed loyalty to the Red Sox asking for half the money he could have gotten. They also got similar treatment from Kevin Youklis. Both are classy, hard working players that would prefer the team have money to surround them with quality players, than break the bank and suffer on a sub-par team.

Agreed, players like that find it more important to stay a Red Sox player, for example, than just "go for the money". Think Gwynn and Ripken could have gotten more dollars as free agents than staying with "their" team for a whole career? Sure. I was just trying to understand the comment of teams not showing loyalty to players. I'm guessing the writer refers to a player that's traded when a contract extension cannot be worked out, the player will become a free agent, and the team gets nothing in return.......

[TommyBahama]

Loyalty as shown by first-class players like Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. is, I'm afraid, becoming a rather rare commodity in today's sports world....too bad.

It works both ways. Teams don't show any loyalty to the players anymore either.

I'm listening........care to discuss?????

I'd say Dustin Pedroia showed loyalty to the Red Sox asking for half the money he could have gotten. They also got similar treatment from Kevin Youklis. Both are classy, hard working players that would prefer the team have money to surround them with quality players, than break the bank and suffer on a sub-par team.

Agreed, players like that find it more important to stay a Red Sox player, for example, than just "go for the money". Think Gwynn and Ripken could have gotten more dollars as free agents than staying with "their" team for a whole career? Sure. I was just trying to understand the comment of teams not showing loyalty to players. I'm guessing the writer refers to a player that's traded when a contract extension cannot be worked out, the player will become a free agent, and the team gets nothing in return.......

Pedroia was only in his 2nd year......i don't think he would of been eligible for FA for another 3 years.....i'm not sure but pretty sure he would of gone to arbitration these next 3 years....so they signed him to a contract!!....not sure on how that all works.

[Capt.Flock]

for cappy

[SharkOnLand]

Loyalty as shown by first-class players like Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken, Jr. is, I'm afraid, becoming a rather rare commodity in today's sports world....too bad.

It works both ways. Teams don't show any loyalty to the players anymore either.

I'm listening........care to discuss?????

I don't follow baseball as much, but the LT situation in San Diego comes to mind. The GM makes fun of the long-time Charger RB, and he's on the trading block? I'm sure similar situations have happened in baseball. Long-time team players get traded while they still have "value".

[CaptainP]

Even I, the Jason Varitek "Man Love" guy, will admit that he will go down as the biggest donkey almost ever in the history of MLB contract decisions for turning down an offer (arbitration) that is, reportedly, more than twice as much as the Red Sox are now offering. Add that bone head decision to the bone head decision to make Scott "Bone Head" Boras your agent and getting divorced with three kids at the time you are signing for roughly .50 cents on the dollar (Jason loses atleast 30% of that to his ex - wife) and Tek - you are a bone head. A Hall of Fame Bone Head. But a Bone Head nonetheless.

Hey Jack....sounds like someone needs a new shirt. Whats the matter John, that Romo Homo shirt get worn out?
In all seriousness, I agree, Boras spent so much time making money with Texiera, that he didn't concentrate on his other clients like Manny and Tek. They both are going to get screwed in their next contracts.

They aren't the only ones.
Ben Sheets turned down a contract offer from Milwaukee, then turned down arbitration. Now he's having trouble getting a contract offer....odds are that he will make about 1/3 of what he was expecting, half of what the Brewers were offering. There are others as well...

[CaptainP]

for cappy

I DIDN'T DO IT!!!

[CaptainP]

Loyalty:

It's very common for a player to "test the free agent market" when their time comes.
Why would a team remain loyal to a player?

It's nice when someone spends their career with you, but if they don't...don't cry about it. Move on.

Look at how badly it ended in Green Bay for Brett Favre.
Trevor Hoffman is a Brewer.
Emmitt Smith retired with the Cardinals.
John Smoltz is an injured Red Sox.
It has, is, and will continue. There is no reason to be loyal these days...it's just nice when it actually happens.

[CaptainP]

Albert Pujols is lobbying for the cardinals to sign Manny.