Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 23, 2009 11:35 am
not first ballot.BottleofRum wrote:Curt Schilling official retires. Now is he a HOFer? Very tough call.
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Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 23, 2009 2:24 pm
drunkpirate66 wrote:Yes. But others should get in before him. 214 wins and roughly 3100 K's . . . there are better HOF options out there. His name - persona - bloody sock - etc. put him over.BottleofRum wrote:Curt Schilling official retires. Now is he a HOFer? Very tough call.
Low regular season win total could hurt him but his post season numbers should get him in eventually. In 19 postseason starts, he compiled an 11-2 record with a 2.23 ERA, striking out 120 batters in 133.1 innings, alowing just 104 hits. His teams won 10 of the 12 playoff series he pitched in and 3 world series championships.
He also owns the best career strikeout-to-walk ratio of any pitcher in the modern era.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 23, 2009 2:42 pm
I think I read somewhere that Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson are the only two pitchers who have at least one victory against ALL 30 M.L. teams.
Ironically, it was those two who were the World Series co-M.V.P.s in 2001 when the Diamondbacks beat the Yankees.
Ironically, it was those two who were the World Series co-M.V.P.s in 2001 when the Diamondbacks beat the Yankees.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 12:10 am
Yup. If voters value postseason performance as much as they like to say they do, Schilling has to be in. Plus wasn't he on a lot of bad Phillies teams before getting traded to the Diamondbacks?drunkpirate66 wrote:Yes. But others should get in before him. 214 wins and roughly 3100 K's . . . there are better HOF options out there. His name - persona - bloody sock - etc. put him over.BottleofRum wrote:Curt Schilling official retires. Now is he a HOFer? Very tough call.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 6:54 am
I remember that Schilling came up in the Orioles organization......but was traded away for people I can't even recall now (the O's have made so many bad trades over the years.....kind of tough to keep them all straight!jonesbeach10 wrote:Yup. If voters value postseason performance as much as they like to say they do, Schilling has to be in. Plus wasn't he on a lot of bad Phillies teams before getting traded to the Diamondbacks?drunkpirate66 wrote:Yes. But others should get in before him. 214 wins and roughly 3100 K's . . . there are better HOF options out there. His name - persona - bloody sock - etc. put him over.BottleofRum wrote:Curt Schilling official retires. Now is he a HOFer? Very tough call.
).Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 7:13 am
Another thing that could make it tough on him getting...he isn't a media favorite.....sorta like Jim Rice!!!.....but i think he should get in!!!...Catfish Hunter had less wins and got in!BottleofRum wrote:drunkpirate66 wrote:Yes. But others should get in before him. 214 wins and roughly 3100 K's . . . there are better HOF options out there. His name - persona - bloody sock - etc. put him over.BottleofRum wrote:Curt Schilling official retires. Now is he a HOFer? Very tough call.
Low regular season win total could hurt him but his post season numbers should get him in eventually. In 19 postseason starts, he compiled an 11-2 record with a 2.23 ERA, striking out 120 batters in 133.1 innings, alowing just 104 hits. His teams won 10 of the 12 playoff series he pitched in and 3 world series championships.
He also owns the best career strikeout-to-walk ratio of any pitcher in the modern era.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 8:09 am
More and more I think about it:
The best K/BB ratio ever . . . and the best modern day post season wins and ERA . . . with 3,000 K's and 200 wins (new modern standard . . . 300 wins is a thing of the past and I doubt anyone starting in the past few years will hit 250 either) should do it. Schilling gets in. Peter Gammons said he would vote for Curt first ballot. Gammons is like a trend setter . . .
The best K/BB ratio ever . . . and the best modern day post season wins and ERA . . . with 3,000 K's and 200 wins (new modern standard . . . 300 wins is a thing of the past and I doubt anyone starting in the past few years will hit 250 either) should do it. Schilling gets in. Peter Gammons said he would vote for Curt first ballot. Gammons is like a trend setter . . .
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 8:15 am
Does Mussina have it in him to get the 30 more wins needed for 300? I am actually pulling for him.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 9:02 am
I thought Mussina retired?drunkpirate66 wrote:Does Mussina have it in him to get the 30 more wins needed for 300? I am actually pulling for him.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 9:04 am
C-Dawg wrote:I thought Mussina retired?drunkpirate66 wrote:Does Mussina have it in him to get the 30 more wins needed for 300? I am actually pulling for him.
He did. It was a bad joke.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 9:12 am
So, is he a HOF'er?drunkpirate66 wrote:C-Dawg wrote:I thought Mussina retired?drunkpirate66 wrote:Does Mussina have it in him to get the 30 more wins needed for 300? I am actually pulling for him.
He did. It was a bad joke.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 9:15 am
did anyone actually think schilling was ever going to play again, official announcement or not?
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 9:20 am
I was hoping he wouldn't...I'm happy he retired as a Red Sox player, but wouldn't have been surprised to see him try and come back mid season for AZ or TB.popcornjack wrote:did anyone actually think schilling was ever going to play again, official announcement or not?
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 9:27 am
IMO - yes. Yes for Schilling. Yes for Pedro. Although, all 3 don't have the typical "lock" HOF numbers. Schilling has the K/BB ratio, Moose has 270 wins, Pedro has a lifetime ERA under 3.00.C-Dawg wrote:So, is he a HOF'er?drunkpirate66 wrote:C-Dawg wrote:I thought Mussina retired?drunkpirate66 wrote:Does Mussina have it in him to get the 30 more wins needed for 300? I am actually pulling for him.
He did. It was a bad joke.
Blyleven, Jack Morris, and Luis Tiant have better overall lifetime stats and aren't in.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 10:12 am
I agree with youdrunkpirate66 wrote:IMO - yes. Yes for Schilling. Yes for Pedro. Although, all 3 don't have the typical "lock" HOF numbers. Schilling has the K/BB ratio, Moose has 270 wins, Pedro has a lifetime ERA under 3.00.C-Dawg wrote:So, is he a HOF'er?drunkpirate66 wrote:C-Dawg wrote:I thought Mussina retired?drunkpirate66 wrote:Does Mussina have it in him to get the 30 more wins needed for 300? I am actually pulling for him.
He did. It was a bad joke.
Blyleven, Jack Morris, and Luis Tiant have better overall lifetime stats and aren't in.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 10:15 am
Blyleven deserves to be in.. Jack Morris can s u ck swampwater thru a short straw.C-Dawg wrote:I agree with youdrunkpirate66 wrote:IMO - yes. Yes for Schilling. Yes for Pedro. Although, all 3 don't have the typical "lock" HOF numbers. Schilling has the K/BB ratio, Moose has 270 wins, Pedro has a lifetime ERA under 3.00.C-Dawg wrote:So, is he a HOF'er?drunkpirate66 wrote:C-Dawg wrote:I thought Mussina retired?drunkpirate66 wrote:Does Mussina have it in him to get the 30 more wins needed for 300? I am actually pulling for him.
He did. It was a bad joke.
Blyleven, Jack Morris, and Luis Tiant have better overall lifetime stats and aren't in.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 10:22 am
What about a twisty stray?
Morris did lead the 1980's in wins for all pitchers. 254 career wins. 3.90 career ERA. 3 - 20 win seasons. 175 Complete Games. 28 career shutouts. Numerous All Star Appearances (forget how many - 5?). He deserves a spot in the HOF along with Tiant and Blyleven.
Morris did lead the 1980's in wins for all pitchers. 254 career wins. 3.90 career ERA. 3 - 20 win seasons. 175 Complete Games. 28 career shutouts. Numerous All Star Appearances (forget how many - 5?). He deserves a spot in the HOF along with Tiant and Blyleven.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 10:38 am
Morris is a pos both on and off the field. Let him rot and pray to whoever he prays to that just maybe he didn't torque off enough members of the Veteran's Committee that he can get into the Hall before he's on life-support.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 10:44 am
K.RinglingRingling wrote:Morris is a pos both on and off the field. Let him rot and pray to whoever he prays to that just maybe he didn't torque off enough members of the Veteran's Committee that he can get into the Hall before he's on life-support.
Re: 2009 Baseball Season
Posted: March 24, 2009 12:23 pm
Blyleven - yes
Tiant, Morris, and Schilling - very good, but no
Tiant, Morris, and Schilling - very good, but no