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jimsig wrote:This was also covered in todaysBoston Herald

Let's not forget that these girls did not even have tickets for the show. So it sounds as if they went just for the explicit purpose of drinking! So her parents want the rest of us to suffer because they did not teach their daughter to be responsible. I would have to believe the Kraft's (who own Gillette) will have a little more pull at the statehouse than her parents. I find it interesting that it says they "have appealed for support from U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry..." but there was no comment from him about this. Shouldn't the reporter have followed up with Kerry for a comment? It would be nice to know his stand on the issue.

He'll comment after his palms are greased a bit.

When I pay to park at a venue, it's up to me to supply or be a designated driver and be responsible in the decisions I make. It's not the venue's responsibility for this even though many of them do provide services for those who have had too much to drink.

If I see issues going on or suspect anything, all I have to do is dial the police or walk up to the many that are always around to report an issue. Is it the venue's responsibility to make sure the police officers are doing their job or do you put enough faith in those people that they will respond to issues if the need arises?

And banning people to park in venues when they don't have a ticket is ridiculous. People buy tickets the day of the event and if those people aren't allowed to park, then they simply won't go to the event. That equals a loss on the parking fee and potentially a loss at the venue for concessions, tickets, etc. So should those that go to Buffett shows for the main purpose of tailgating with friends not be able to enter the parking facility?

And in my opinion, in the experiences I've had tailgating, specifically for Buffett, it's the college kids who show up, drink their Bud Light and blare their Kenny Chesney music who seem to be the ones that get ridiculously intoxicated, start fights, puke on your flip flops, etc. - these same kids who have heard two JB songs, but want to come to the event for the sole purpose of getting hammered.

It's a shame what happened, but tailgating isn't going to go away.

flyboy55 wrote:Underage drinking by teenagers is an epidemic in this country. No wonder most college campuses appear to have a new major study concentration called 'binge drinking'.

Not just today's generation but as long as I can recall. I mean "Animal House" was a life template for many back in the late 70's early 80's. Today's teens don't drink any more or less than those in 1979.
Some of these problems could be solved by lowering the drinking age to 18. Vote for a President, fight a war, sign a contract, be tried as an adult...but can't drink....makes NO logical sense?!
Take some of the taboo away from alcohol.

Any isn't this a strange discussion to have on a forum for an artist who's music puts a very positive spin on drinking. I checked my Buffett ticket for the last few years....yep, Landshark, Corona, Margaritaville Tequila....hmmm.

Personal responsbility it's what it's all about. Screw putting so much of the responsibility on the venue, the local law or whomever.

CHEERS
Wiscoleeds

LIPH wrote:It's nice that everyone thinks venues should start enforcing the rules. But every year when concert season starts and one venue says the lots aren't opening until 4:00, or whenever, how many people come on here and say "I'm showing up at (fill in the blank) and they'll have to let us in." You know what? No. They don't. That's part of enforcing the rules too.

Hear, hear . . .

Feesh wrote:It's a shame what happened, but tailgating isn't going to go away.

I wouldn't bet on that if I were you. I know several venues that either never allowed tailgating or have banned it.

Don't get me wrong - I love a good tailgate!!! I can also see the potential problems a venue can face, emergency staffing, clean up costs and possible litigation. If I were a CEO of a venue facing budget cuts I'd look at the expense of allowing tailgating vs revenue. If I'm not making a profit by allowing tailgating then it's gotta go.

ph4ever wrote:

Feesh wrote:It's a shame what happened, but tailgating isn't going to go away.

I wouldn't bet on that if I were you. I know several venues that either never allowed tailgating or have banned it.

Don't get me wrong - I love a good tailgate!!! I can also see the potential problems a venue can face, emergency staffing, clean up costs and possible litigation. If I were a CEO of a venue facing budget cuts I'd look at the expense of allowing tailgating vs revenue. If I'm not making a profit by allowing tailgating then it's gotta go.

People don't tailgate for everything. NFL, college games, and large-drawing concerts would probably not be in the venues that don't allow tailgating. Or, people just make adjustments to pre-party where they can. When the NFL or sponsors stop giving away tailgating awards and prizes and when products and services go away that are geared specifically toward tailgating, then I'll agree with you.

I'm referring to professional sports facilities and larger venues.

Feesh wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

Feesh wrote:It's a shame what happened, but tailgating isn't going to go away.

I wouldn't bet on that if I were you. I know several venues that either never allowed tailgating or have banned it.

Don't get me wrong - I love a good tailgate!!! I can also see the potential problems a venue can face, emergency staffing, clean up costs and possible litigation. If I were a CEO of a venue facing budget cuts I'd look at the expense of allowing tailgating vs revenue. If I'm not making a profit by allowing tailgating then it's gotta go.

People don't tailgate for everything. NFL, college games, and large-drawing concerts would probably not be in the venues that don't allow tailgating. Or, people just make adjustments to pre-party where they can. When the NFL or sponsors stop giving away tailgating awards and prizes and when products and services go away that are geared specifically toward tailgating, then I'll agree with you.

I'm referring to professional sports facilities and larger venues.

AAC Miami - Saw Buffett there and it did not allow tailgating (home of Miami Heat)
Rose Arena, Portland Oregon - saw Buffett there and not tailgating allowed (home of Portland Trailblazers)
Quest & Safeco Field - have considered reducing the amount of tailgating allowed (home of Seattle Mariners & Seahawks)

Look at the numerous venues that Buffett has played over the past few years that don't allow tailgating (other than the ones I mentioned above.) The Woodlands in Texas and one of the California venues pop into mind as well as White River Amplitheater outside Seattle. Buffett has played there in the past and no tailgating allowed. Could that be reason for him not returning, possibly. The simple fact is that the NFL does not own the venues. It has virtually no liability where the venues do. It doesn't bear the cost of clean up like the venues do.

For Superbowl XLIII there was not only no tailgating allowed not only in the Dolphin Staduim Parking lots but also within a one mile radius from the arena.

There was tailgating at Dolphins stadium for the BCS National Championship game and there was tailgating for this year's Super Bowl. I assume some of the venues you mentioned have very limited area for tailgating based on the location. And I don't think I'd be attending a Buffett show at a venue that didn't allow tailgating. It kinda defeats one of the main reasons of going for me, being that it's an event and not just a "concert".

Feesh wrote:There was tailgating at Dolphins stadium for the BCS National Championship game and there was tailgating for this year's Super Bowl. I assume some of the venues you mentioned have very limited area for tailgating based on the location. And I don't think I'd be attending a Buffett show at a venue that didn't allow tailgating. It kinda defeats one of the main reasons of going for me, being that it's an event and not just a "concert".

that's probably a major difference between us. I've been going to Buffett shows long before tailgating became popular and for me it's not about the "event" but rather the music. Sure I love a good tailgate because I love getting together with my friends, but I'd still go to a show if there wasn't tailgating.

I think too many people consider tailgating a right and not a privledge. I remember the days of early Buffett tailgating when the venue was as clean when everyone left as it was when we arrived and it's just not that way anymore. If a venue eliminates tailgating IMHO we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

ph4ever wrote:

Feesh wrote:There was tailgating at Dolphins stadium for the BCS National Championship game and there was tailgating for this year's Super Bowl. I assume some of the venues you mentioned have very limited area for tailgating based on the location. And I don't think I'd be attending a Buffett show at a venue that didn't allow tailgating. It kinda defeats one of the main reasons of going for me, being that it's an event and not just a "concert".

that's probably a major difference between us. I've been going to Buffett shows long before tailgating became popular and for me it's not about the "event" but rather the music. Sure I love a good tailgate because I love getting together with my friends, but I'd still go to a show if there wasn't tailgating.

I think too many people consider tailgating a right and not a privledge. I remember the days of early Buffett tailgating when the venue was as clean when everyone left as it was when we arrived and it's just not that way anymore. If a venue eliminates tailgating IMHO we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

I'd blame those that are irresponsible and those that I've tailgated with have been far from that. I tailgate for sporting events and Buffett. I describe a JB show as more of an experience that culminates with a live show. Others have just as much fun hanging out with friends and listening to the show on Radio Margaritaville. I enjoy both the tailgate and the show. It'd be tough to attend for just one of those.

everybody blames Chesney.....it's not just his shows that they are showing up and getting hammered at......you walk around the parking lot at a Buffett show....and there is a lot of underaged drinking........Dave Matthews same thing.

As someone said......people need to be more responsible.....problem is a lot of people go there to get tanked....The best thing a venue can do is not serve inside like a Jones Beach...it at least gives people some time to sober up before driving.

I don't know how venues can please it better or where responsibility lies.....but if you drink in a bar and you go out and kill someone in a accident...the bar is responsible.

on a side note....The Casinos and state here in CT were trying to get a law passed where they can serve 24/7 to generate more money for the state...well over the weekend a Coast Guard Academy student...got drunk at the Casino got on the highway going in the wrong direction and hit head on a van carrying students on there way to Logan.....a girl was killed in the accident....so that will be a hard law to get passed now!!!

Did the article state that the driver was underage? Just because the girl had been drinking had little to do with the accident.

I always stop drinking well before I enter the venue, so I remember the concert. Yes, closing concessions inside the venue may help slow down the already drunk patron sobering him/her up a little before they get on the road after the show. But in the end it's not the governments job to make us and our children responsible adults....it's ours.

Salukulady wrote:Did the article state that the driver was underage? Just because the girl had been drinking had little to do with the accident.

Yeah, she wasn't the driver..

20 year old Debra Davis was killed last summer after a Kenny Chesney concert at Gillette Stadium

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!

LIPH wrote:It's nice that everyone thinks venues should start enforcing the rules. But every year when concert season starts and one venue says the lots aren't opening until 4:00, or whenever, how many people come on here and say "I'm showing up at (fill in the blank) and they'll have to let us in." You know what? No. They don't. That's part of enforcing the rules too.

At Irvine and at Chula Vista, I've been part of line-ups far earlier than the posted lot opening, and the local authorities caved each time because they found they could not manage the pre-opening vehicle back-ups, and they felt it would be "more manageable" to just go ahead and open up!

PaRRoTTheads pReVail!!!

SMLCHNG wrote:

Salukulady wrote:Did the article state that the driver was underage? Just because the girl had been drinking had little to do with the accident.

Yeah, she wasn't the driver..

20 year old Debra Davis was killed last summer after a Kenny Chesney concert at Gillette Stadium

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!

people die every day

...and here I thought Jimmy was doing a show up in Banning, CA

TommyBahama wrote:everybody blames Chesney.....it's not just his shows that they are showing up and getting hammered at......you walk around the parking lot at a Buffett show....and there is a lot of underaged drinking........Dave Matthews same thing.

As someone said......people need to be more responsible.....problem is a lot of people go there to get tanked....The best thing a venue can do is not serve inside like a Jones Beach...it at least gives people some time to sober up before driving.

I don't know how venues can please it better or where responsibility lies.....but if you drink in a bar and you go out and kill someone in a accident...the bar is responsible.

on a side note....The Casinos and state here in CT were trying to get a law passed where they can serve 24/7 to generate more money for the state...well over the weekend a Coast Guard Academy student...got drunk at the Casino got on the highway going in the wrong direction and hit head on a van carrying students on there way to Logan.....a girl was killed in the accident....so that will be a hard law to get passed now!!!

A few years ago another Buffett Site was tailgating beside a Buffett site that cannot be mentioned. One of the unmentionable site members witnessed the other site's members making fun of an underaged girl that had been drinking so much she had passed out in a chair and wet her pants. This member from the unmentionable site began assisting the underaged drinker, reviving her with cool washcloths, giving her gatoraid and having another person run to get paramedics. The paramedics later thanked her as the girl was on the verge of alcohol poisoning. It happens at Buffett shows as well.

Heck I've been guilty of over indulging at a Buffett show - once. It only took one time of fribbling out to make me learn to hydrate and eat.

I know in Texas if you throw a party at your home, someone gets hammered and leaves and gets into an accident, you can be held liable just the same as a bar. Yes one does have to take responsibility for their own actions but in today's litigious society I'm sure eventually a venue will be sued. Or maybe the band performing. I'm sure some "suit" happy person will try to make a buck from their own lack of responsibility.

ph4ever wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:everybody blames Chesney.....it's not just his shows that they are showing up and getting hammered at......you walk around the parking lot at a Buffett show....and there is a lot of underaged drinking........Dave Matthews same thing.

As someone said......people need to be more responsible.....problem is a lot of people go there to get tanked....The best thing a venue can do is not serve inside like a Jones Beach...it at least gives people some time to sober up before driving.

I don't know how venues can please it better or where responsibility lies.....but if you drink in a bar and you go out and kill someone in a accident...the bar is responsible.

on a side note....The Casinos and state here in CT were trying to get a law passed where they can serve 24/7 to generate more money for the state...well over the weekend a Coast Guard Academy student...got drunk at the Casino got on the highway going in the wrong direction and hit head on a van carrying students on there way to Logan.....a girl was killed in the accident....so that will be a hard law to get passed now!!!

A few years ago another Buffett Site was tailgating beside a Buffett site that cannot be mentioned. One of the unmentionable site members witnessed the other site's members making fun of an underaged girl that had been drinking so much she had passed out in a chair and wet her pants. This member from the unmentionable site began assisting the underaged drinker, reviving her with cool washcloths, giving her gatoraid and having another person run to get paramedics. The paramedics later thanked her as the girl was on the verge of alcohol poisoning. It happens at Buffett shows as well.

Heck I've been guilty of over indulging at a Buffett show - once. It only took one time of fribbling out to make me learn to hydrate and eat.

I know in Texas if you throw a party at your home, someone gets hammered and leaves and gets into an accident, you can be held liable just the same as a bar. Yes one does have to take responsibility for their own actions but in today's litigious society I'm sure eventually a venue will be sued. Or maybe the band performing. I'm sure some "suit" happy person will try to make a buck from their own lack of responsibility.

Same here in Connecticut!!!!......i believe if you have a party period in CT with minors drinking you can get jail time!!....someone would have to clarify that...but i believe a family a couple towns over had a party and now the parents are doing jail time!!

i like to be in control so i know when to stop and switch to water.....make sure i eat.....i don't like that out of control feeling and besides i want to enjoy myself at a show and not be blitz out of my mind!!..thank god for a high tolerance!!

I have a general rule and that is little or no alcohol once I get into the concert venue. (Of course this wouldn't have helped the girl since she didn't have a concert ticket anyway).... Outside I try to pace myself somewhat... If I feel that I'm getting drunk I usually stop drinking long enough to hydrate or eat something.

Unfortunately since the drinking age is 21 not 18 we have a LOT of teenagers binging (simply because they can because there's way too many people to police). This is one of the biggest reasons that Spring Break was so popular in Florida, but now that the drinking age is 21, most of the college students have gone elsewhere. Most kids at the age of 18 don't know how to handle drinking because they don't know when to quit (I think the most drunk I ever got was when I was about 19.)

i guess the question is who is serving them and / or how are they getting it!!!...Thats were the responsibility starts!!.....My brother lets his 17/18 year old son drink while tailgating at Patriot games....i told him he is nuts....he/ you guys get caught...you're screwed!!...i think he has stopped that!!!