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Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 24, 2009 4:04 pm
by tikitatas
LIBuffettFan wrote:
tikitatas wrote:
LIBuffettFan wrote:
tikitatas wrote:
wiscoleeds wrote:Geez, like I couldn't guess who would turn up and on which side of this issue.
Yawn!

Still waiting for Flyboy to reply to a posting last week to define "elites" and "plebes" :wink:

Cheers
Wiscoleeds
There are sides to this issue?

I don't think so, I usually watch Fox but this shouldn't be acceptable regardless of who is delivering it.
Thank you and all of the previous posters who find what Fox thinks passes for journalism indefensible.
Don't get me wrong, I think quite often Fox hits it right on the head while the other guys are brown noseing with hopes of getting their exclusives. I just think this time it was wrong. Everyone seems to see the bias at Fox because it goes in a different direction than main stream NBC (and affiliates) and CNN. Basically to get "fair and balanced" you need to watch a combo of the different networks news, well with the exception of NBC, thats pretty much just garbage.
I didn't "get you wrong".

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 24, 2009 5:33 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
Effin' MORONS.... :evil: :evil: :evil:

Flyboy, you and I sometimes have very differing opinions, but on this one I'm right there beside you, in total agreement. This is reprehensible. :evil: :evil:

I've served with Canadians. They're top-notch warriors and don't deserve this BS.

I feel the need to apologize to the Canadian Armed Forces, Canadian Law Enforcement, and to every Canadian citizen for the boorish, completely unacceptable behavior of my fellow Americans. Fox, you should be ASHAMED. :evil:

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 24, 2009 10:21 pm
by sonofabeach
I'm not familiar with the show but it seems like a comedy type show (ie John Stewart). I know one of the guests is a comedian. There is humor there albeit very un-pc.
I suppose it would fly on HBO but not a news network. Bad mojo Fox.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 10:02 am
by mikemck
flyboy55 wrote:What a 'class act' from FOX News . . . [smilie=puking.gif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS6cVJ5bFRc

This show aired within hours of another four Canadian soldiers being killed by roadside bombs in Afghanistan.

If FOX talked that way about this nation's military they'd be permanently off the air, if not worse. Apparently, one of these boneheads (Doug Benson) was surprised that his performance dates at a comedy club in Edmonton, Alberta were cancelled by the club's owner. From what I understand, Edmonton is home to one of Canada's largest military bases and has a large presence of military personnel. I think they should have let him perform. One less idiot in the world.

I think this is symptomatic of our problems in the world. Ignorant, arrogant and any kind of drivel aired as 'entertainment' to make a buck.

Among our allies, the Canadians have been doing the 'heavy lifting' in Afghanistan for years. Using another metaphor, they 'punch above their weight' (far above) considering their population size and the size of their military.

They have a lot of oil, fresh water and hydro power - things we desparately need. They put up with a lot from us.

We should be much nicer to them.
Was it an individual who said these things or is this really the official position of FOXNews?

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 10:53 am
by moeron
Fair and Balanced??? I think Un-balanced. That is from Reagan's time. I only watch fox when I need to get my blood pressure up. As with most news they slant it one way or the other. But fox is the worst.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 10:57 am
by diverg
moeron wrote:Fair and Balanced??? I think Un-balanced. That is from Reagan's time. I only watch fox when I need to get my blood pressure up. As with most news they slant it one way or the other. But fox is the worst.
There are many people who would disagree with you on this and many who agree.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 11:04 am
by LIBuffettFan
diverg wrote:
moeron wrote:Fair and Balanced??? I think Un-balanced. That is from Reagan's time. I only watch fox when I need to get my blood pressure up. As with most news they slant it one way or the other. But fox is the worst.
There are many people who would disagree with you on this and many who agree.
It really is a matter of opinion, one is biased in one direction, the others are biased on the other direction. There should be another news group that does nothing but interpret the other news agencies and come up with something that resembles whats really going on.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 12:08 pm
by RinglingRingling
mikemck wrote:
flyboy55 wrote:What a 'class act' from FOX News . . . [smilie=puking.gif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS6cVJ5bFRc

This show aired within hours of another four Canadian soldiers being killed by roadside bombs in Afghanistan.

If FOX talked that way about this nation's military they'd be permanently off the air, if not worse. Apparently, one of these boneheads (Doug Benson) was surprised that his performance dates at a comedy club in Edmonton, Alberta were cancelled by the club's owner. From what I understand, Edmonton is home to one of Canada's largest military bases and has a large presence of military personnel. I think they should have let him perform. One less idiot in the world.

I think this is symptomatic of our problems in the world. Ignorant, arrogant and any kind of drivel aired as 'entertainment' to make a buck.

Among our allies, the Canadians have been doing the 'heavy lifting' in Afghanistan for years. Using another metaphor, they 'punch above their weight' (far above) considering their population size and the size of their military.

They have a lot of oil, fresh water and hydro power - things we desparately need. They put up with a lot from us.

We should be much nicer to them.
Was it an individual who said these things or is this really the official position of FOXNews?
one might think that unless they issued an apology, given that it was done under their broadcasting license, that it is their position. Fair and balanced application of the FCC regs that made a nipple decoration as heinous as crushing a baby on live TV.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 12:18 pm
by C-Dawg
RinglingRingling wrote:
mikemck wrote:
flyboy55 wrote:What a 'class act' from FOX News . . . [smilie=puking.gif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS6cVJ5bFRc

This show aired within hours of another four Canadian soldiers being killed by roadside bombs in Afghanistan.

If FOX talked that way about this nation's military they'd be permanently off the air, if not worse. Apparently, one of these boneheads (Doug Benson) was surprised that his performance dates at a comedy club in Edmonton, Alberta were cancelled by the club's owner. From what I understand, Edmonton is home to one of Canada's largest military bases and has a large presence of military personnel. I think they should have let him perform. One less idiot in the world.

I think this is symptomatic of our problems in the world. Ignorant, arrogant and any kind of drivel aired as 'entertainment' to make a buck.

Among our allies, the Canadians have been doing the 'heavy lifting' in Afghanistan for years. Using another metaphor, they 'punch above their weight' (far above) considering their population size and the size of their military.

They have a lot of oil, fresh water and hydro power - things we desparately need. They put up with a lot from us.

We should be much nicer to them.
Was it an individual who said these things or is this really the official position of FOXNews?
one might think that unless they issued an apology, given that it was done under their broadcasting license, that it is their position. Fair and balanced application of the FCC regs that made a nipple decoration as heinous as crushing a baby on live TV.
Why would they need to issue an apology? They merely have to have a disclaimer at the end of the show that states the opinions on this show are not necessarily the opinions of the network. They have these disclaimers on many shows on most networks.
Whether they did or not on this show is another question.
This was obviously a sad attampt at humor, much in the same vein as Jon Stweart's show. I've seen Rick Mercer on CBC being far more insulting to Canadians, although he is funny, and is Canadian.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 12:43 pm
by RinglingRingling
C-Dawg wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
mikemck wrote:
flyboy55 wrote:What a 'class act' from FOX News . . . [smilie=puking.gif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS6cVJ5bFRc

This show aired within hours of another four Canadian soldiers being killed by roadside bombs in Afghanistan.

If FOX talked that way about this nation's military they'd be permanently off the air, if not worse. Apparently, one of these boneheads (Doug Benson) was surprised that his performance dates at a comedy club in Edmonton, Alberta were cancelled by the club's owner. From what I understand, Edmonton is home to one of Canada's largest military bases and has a large presence of military personnel. I think they should have let him perform. One less idiot in the world.

I think this is symptomatic of our problems in the world. Ignorant, arrogant and any kind of drivel aired as 'entertainment' to make a buck.

Among our allies, the Canadians have been doing the 'heavy lifting' in Afghanistan for years. Using another metaphor, they 'punch above their weight' (far above) considering their population size and the size of their military.

They have a lot of oil, fresh water and hydro power - things we desparately need. They put up with a lot from us.

We should be much nicer to them.
Was it an individual who said these things or is this really the official position of FOXNews?
one might think that unless they issued an apology, given that it was done under their broadcasting license, that it is their position. Fair and balanced application of the FCC regs that made a nipple decoration as heinous as crushing a baby on live TV.
Why would they need to issue an apology? They merely have to have a disclaimer at the end of the show that states the opinions on this show are not necessarily the opinions of the network. They have these disclaimers on many shows on most networks.
Whether they did or not on this show is another question.
This was obviously a sad attampt at humor, much in the same vein as Jon Stweart's show. I've seen Rick Mercer on CBC being far more insulting to Canadians, although he is funny, and is Canadian.
I am thinking you missed the point on this yesterday: network news show, claiming to be a credible source of information=no humour. Spoof of news show on comedy network=not really the news.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 12:53 pm
by wiscoleeds
Anyone who thinks the show Red Eye is really a news show probably needs the warning on McDonald's coffee cups that the contents are hot.

Cheers
Wiscoleeds

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 1:27 pm
by mikemck
RinglingRingling wrote:one might think that unless they issued an apology, given that it was done under their broadcasting license, that it is their position.
Not sure I understand that logic. I seriously doubt that you'd agree that Keith Olbermann's calling President Bush a facist means that President Bush is a facist is MSNBC's official position, would you?

When Dan Rather was caught fabricating evidence to support a news story that turned out to be true (this eventually ended his career), CBS made no apologies. Does that mean that it's CBS' official position to make up evidence for fake news stories?

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 1:30 pm
by RinglingRingling
mikemck wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:one might think that unless they issued an apology, given that it was done under their broadcasting license, that it is their position.
Not sure I understand that logic. I seriously doubt that you'd agree that Keith Olbermann's calling President Bush a facist means that President Bush is a facist is MSNBC's official position, would you?

When Dan Rather was caught fabricating evidence to support a news story that turned out to be true (this eventually ended his career), CBS made no apologies. Does that mean that it's CBS' official position to make up evidence for fake news stories?
I misspoke, as was pointed out, a disclaimer is all that is evidently needed. But the fact still remains: "hard news" vs "spoof of news". comparing this piece to The Daily Show is a bit of a stretch. And the fact that some blowhard behind a desk who probably has never heard a shot go past his head is hardly in a position to insult the Canadian AF. If the Canadians were the equivalent of the Costa Rican military, Americans would not have joined them in WW1 and 2 before this country got into the war, nor would they have fought beside them at Dieppe.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 1:57 pm
by Spider Johnson
mikemck wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:one might think that unless they issued an apology, given that it was done under their broadcasting license, that it is their position.
Not sure I understand that logic. I seriously doubt that you'd agree that Keith Olbermann's calling President Bush a facist means that President Bush is a facist is MSNBC's official position, would you?

When Dan Rather was caught fabricating evidence to support a news story that turned out to be true (this eventually ended his career), CBS made no apologies. Does that mean that it's CBS' official position to make up evidence for fake news stories?
"Red Eye" is roughly the equivalent of getting the news from the "Weekend Update" on SNL or off of some show on the comedy channel. "Red Eye" has very little if anything to do with hard news.

It seems there are those that hate Fox News so much, do not bother or care to tell (or even admit) the difference between very poor attempts at humor and hard news, only because of the station it is broadcast on.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 2:01 pm
by alphabits
RinglingRingling wrote:
mikemck wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:one might think that unless they issued an apology, given that it was done under their broadcasting license, that it is their position.
Not sure I understand that logic. I seriously doubt that you'd agree that Keith Olbermann's calling President Bush a facist means that President Bush is a facist is MSNBC's official position, would you?

When Dan Rather was caught fabricating evidence to support a news story that turned out to be true (this eventually ended his career), CBS made no apologies. Does that mean that it's CBS' official position to make up evidence for fake news stories?
I misspoke, as was pointed out, a disclaimer is all that is evidently needed. But the fact still remains: "hard news" vs "spoof of news". comparing this piece to The Daily Show is a bit of a stretch. And the fact that some blowhard behind a desk who probably has never heard a shot go past his head is hardly in a position to insult the Canadian AF. If the Canadians were the equivalent of the Costa Rican military, Americans would not have joined them in WW1 and 2 before this country got into the war, nor would they have fought beside them at Dieppe.
R2, I think your "fact" is not one. Red Eye is not (nor does it pretend to be) "hard news". It's meant to be a satirical, "comedic", un-PC take on the news via commentary from the host and various panelists. I don't think comparing it to The Daily Show is a stretch at all ..... in fact, I'd say Red Eye is even more off-the-wall. I don't particularly care for Fox News but I don't see how the views expressed on the show could be contrued as the position of the network itself.

Having said that, it would be virtually impossible to defend the comments of the host and guests on this particular subject. I don't know if they were just trying to be outrageous and thought this was humorous or they were completely ignorant on the subject at hand. Either they're stupid or disgustingly disrespectful. Evidently, the host (Greg Gutfeld) has issued an apology: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/host+ ... story.html .
Although his statement that "I realize that my words may have been misunderstood." comes off as pretty lame to me. I wouldn't be adverse to seeing him and his co-horts do their show for a year "on location" in the mountains of Afghanistan.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 2:13 pm
by mikemck
RinglingRingling wrote:I misspoke, as was pointed out, a disclaimer is all that is evidently needed. But the fact still remains: "hard news" vs "spoof of news". comparing this piece to The Daily Show is a bit of a stretch.
I didn't compare it to the Daily Show, but I would think that anybody with any sense would recognize that "Red Eye" is a show that has opinion and satire, not a news broadcast.

I love the fact that liberals are never willing to give FOX the same benefit of the doubt they give liberal news sources.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 2:21 pm
by RinglingRingling
mikemck wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:I misspoke, as was pointed out, a disclaimer is all that is evidently needed. But the fact still remains: "hard news" vs "spoof of news". comparing this piece to The Daily Show is a bit of a stretch.
I didn't compare it to the Daily Show, but I would think that anybody with any sense would recognize that "Red Eye" is a show that has opinion and satire, not a news broadcast.

I love the fact that liberals are never willing to give FOX the same benefit of the doubt they give liberal news sources.
and I love how those whose only apparent source of news is Fox are so quick to claim that theirs is the one true source, and then resort to name-calling if questioned. Did they measure you for that horse Mike? It seems awfully high for you.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 2:33 pm
by Spider Johnson
RinglingRingling wrote:
mikemck wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:I misspoke, as was pointed out, a disclaimer is all that is evidently needed. But the fact still remains: "hard news" vs "spoof of news". comparing this piece to The Daily Show is a bit of a stretch.
I didn't compare it to the Daily Show, but I would think that anybody with any sense would recognize that "Red Eye" is a show that has opinion and satire, not a news broadcast.

I love the fact that liberals are never willing to give FOX the same benefit of the doubt they give liberal news sources.
and I love how those whose only apparent source of news is Fox are so quick to claim that theirs is the one true source, and then resorts to name-calling if questioned. Did they measure you for that horse Mike? It seems awfully high for you.
Where did anyone claim Fox News was the one true source of hard news? Clearly "Red Eye" cannot be considered a hard news source.
It is one show of many shows they broadcast. I have said my opinions about the show elsewhere.

Fox does have hard news shows. There are those that hate Fox News and will discredit it, every chance thet get.

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 2:37 pm
by alphabits
This movie looks strangely familiar ......

Re: FOX News mocks Canadian military . . .

Posted: March 25, 2009 2:40 pm
by ph4ever
alphabits wrote:This movie looks strangely familiar ......
ya think? :wink: