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OK so I goofed on the MOH thing.
But as I was cleaning house
this thought kind of popped in
and it Bothers me..

Why do we refer to any person awarded any medal as a "winner"
shouldn't it be Medal Earner???

they did not win that medal.. they earned it.. (this could go for Olympics too)

ragtopW wrote:OK so I goofed on the MOH thing.
But as I was cleaning house
this thought kind of popped in
and it Bothers me..

Why do we refer to any person awarded any medal as a "winner"
shouldn't it be Medal Earner???

they did not win that medal.. they earned it.. (this could go for Olympics too)

At least "technically" all medals and ribbons are awarded for conduct and actions. Though some may automatically be given upon earning the qualifications such as the ribbon for markmanship or "Good Conduct Medal".

It is because of the beauracracy and selection process the individuals have to go through.
After reccomendation, the individual(s) actions are reviewed and then submitted to review and approval. The ribbons and medals are then awarded to the individual(s) if they meet the qualifications and standards.

No doubt there are many more who have earned and qualified for such, but for whatever reason were not nominated or either rejected or not accepted or denied.

ragtopW wrote:OK so I goofed on the MOH thing.
But as I was cleaning house
this thought kind of popped in
and it Bothers me..

Why do we refer to any person awarded any medal as a "winner"
shouldn't it be Medal Earner???

they did not win that medal.. they earned it.. (this could go for Olympics too)

I agree with them earning the MOH but the Olympic Medals I think are won because it is a competition.

parrothead3282 wrote:

ragtopW wrote:OK so I goofed on the MOH thing.
But as I was cleaning house
this thought kind of popped in
and it Bothers me..
Why do we refer to any person awarded any medal as a "winner"
shouldn't it be Medal Earner???
they did not win that medal.. they earned it.. (this could go for Olympics too)

I agree with them earning the MOH but the Olympic Medals I think are won because it is a competition.

Agreeing with parrothead3282. You can have only one winner of a medal/award in any competition (everybody else loses, some just not as badly as others) — except maybe for Special Olympics. Military honors such as the MOH, Silver Star, DSC, and so on are earned, and there is no pre-set limit as to just how many people will receive them, just as there are no limits to how many people can earn graduation honors such as magna cum laude, or how many Boy Scouts can earn a specific merit badge.

It's just another sign of the deterioration of the English language as it is used in America that we (once again) fail to use the correct term; and it will continue to happen because too many people just plain don't give a damb.

-"BB"-

Wayne I love your deep thoughts!!!

Bicycle Bill wrote:

parrothead3282 wrote:

ragtopW wrote:OK so I goofed on the MOH thing.
But as I was cleaning house
this thought kind of popped in
and it Bothers me..
Why do we refer to any person awarded any medal as a "winner"
shouldn't it be Medal Earner???
they did not win that medal.. they earned it.. (this could go for Olympics too)

I agree with them earning the MOH but the Olympic Medals I think are won because it is a competition.

Agreeing with parrothead3282. You can have only one winner of a medal/award in any competition (everybody else loses, some just not as badly as others) — except maybe for Special Olympics. Military honors such as the MOH, Silver Star, DSC, and so on are earned, and there is no pre-set limit as to just how many people will receive them, just as there are no limits to how many people can earn graduation honors such as magna cum laude, or how many Boy Scouts can earn a specific merit badge.

It's just another sign of the deterioration of the English language as it is used in America that we (once again) fail to use the correct term; and it will continue to happen because too many people just plain don't give a damb.

-"BB"-

But to earn the gold medal in sports competition, you had to win the race/competition over others.

I kinda agree with the other distinction re: MOH... you don't win the MOH
You are awarded that medal... because you were judged to be worthy amongst many who also earned the honor of being considered.
Unlike a sporting competition, the performance of exceptional duty is judged in review of a much earlier date not witnessed by those who are judging

Well in my thinking..
the Olympic people have earned those Medals
from the years and years of working out and practicing
at their chosen sport..
they won the Race/fight/game ETC...
they Earned the Medal

ragtopW wrote:Well in my thinking..
the Olympic people have earned those Medals
from the years and years of working out and practicing
at their chosen sport..
they won the Race/fight/game ETC...
they Earned the Medal

They were not risking life and limb to save or rescue their friends/team mates/brothers/sisters or in any way putting their lives in danger, ........were they? They were just competing in a sporting event and not in a life and death situation with others lives at risk and on the line.

Spider Johnson wrote:

ragtopW wrote:Well in my thinking..
the Olympic people have earned those Medals
from the years and years of working out and practicing
at their chosen sport..
they won the Race/fight/game ETC...
they Earned the Medal

They were not risking life and limb to save or rescue their friends/team mates/brothers/sisters or in any way putting their lives in danger, ........were they? They were just competing in a sporting event and not in a life and death situation with others lives at risk and on the line.

I guess that because I cannot even begin
to think about all of the 4:00AM wake ups
and the bruises,Breaks and burns those
people go through, my Lazy SSA thinks that
makes it an Earn...

ragtopW wrote:

Spider Johnson wrote:

ragtopW wrote:Well in my thinking..
the Olympic people have earned those Medals
from the years and years of working out and practicing
at their chosen sport..
they won the Race/fight/game ETC...
they Earned the Medal

They were not risking life and limb to save or rescue their friends/team mates/brothers/sisters or in any way putting their lives in danger, ........were they? They were just competing in a sporting event and not in a life and death situation with others lives at risk and on the line.

I guess that because I cannot even begin
to think about all of the 4:00AM wake ups
and the bruises,Breaks and burns those
people go through, my Lazy SSA thinks that
makes it an Earn...

All of that may well be. I did not say they did not suffer in their training or prep for the event.

My point being is that Olymopic athletes train for the event and opportunity to earn a medal or not even place as the events dictate.

Military members only do their job. There is no training for people to be awarded an MOH. It is about being in the right (or wrong) place and doing what one has to do when it really needs doing. If it earns one an MOH then fine well and good, if it doesn't then so be it. One still does/did the best that they could under extreme and life endangering circumstances.

Now the "actual award determination" process and qualifications, politics, etc, for an MOH, process might be similiar to the Olympics.
There are scores and times to go by and be judged for an Olympic winner.

There are no such for an MOH awardee.

The MOH award is about doing your job to the best of your ability and taking extreme measures for others lives and safety without (more or less) personal concern of your own and risking and even giving your own life and limb to accomplish it. How many MOH recipients were awarded such posthumosly?

The Olympic medal is about doing a job you have trained for to be especially good at. You are expected to be alive and no other lives were at risk.
I am not sure if I ever heard of any Olmpic champion, ever recieving a Gold, or any other medal, for dying or eliminaing the competition, while giving their all, for the rest of their team.