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I'll bet 'er the butter was barely bitter, but barely worth the botherWino you know wrote:Betty Botter bought a bit of butter. "But," she said, "this butter's bitter!
If I put it in my batter, it will make my batter bitter!"
So she bought a bit of butter better than her bitter butter,
And she put it in her batter, and her batter was not bitter.
So 'twas better Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter.
Just please tell us you don't wear the short shorts!!sonofabeach wrote:I've had people say that I look gay, whatever that is.
At work some of the guys call me Lt. Jim Dangle (from Reno 911) because of my sunglasses and I roll my sleeves up the show the guns.
if you do, please post picturesLightning Bolt wrote:Just please tell us you don't wear the short shorts!!sonofabeach wrote:I've had people say that I look gay, whatever that is.
At work some of the guys call me Lt. Jim Dangle (from Reno 911) because of my sunglasses and I roll my sleeves up the show the guns.
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Sorry, it doesn't wash. These were the same arguments used to keep people of color (there are violent, closed-minded, racist people in the military) and women (it's for their own protection) out of the military for decades. Those arguments didn't wash then and they don't wash now for gays/lesbians, either. If a noose were to be hung in an African-American's bunk today, every effort would be made to find and prosecute the perpetrator. Violent, close-minded people do not belong in the military. Totally offensive racial and gender-based jokes used to be rampant in the military; they are unacceptable today. Beatings used to happen because "that n***** looked at me wrong." Today, that gets prosecuted. When the leadership of the military makes it clear that violence and offensive comments toward/about gays/lesbians will not be tolerated and will be prosecuted, it will stop.Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:Tikitatas and PH4ever I agree with you how things SHOULD be, my posts are based in the way things are in reality. Yes women, straight and gay, serve same as men in military. But volunteer some time in a JAG office or a recruiting station. As in all of society there are many young men that enlist are bright, guided people that want to serve their country. There are many that are violent, closed minded people that see this as an only option. Unfortunately I have first hand experience with many of the latter. I just dont believe that anyone (tikitatas included) understand the mindset of some of these guys. The amount of offensive gay jokes, the calling each other slang gay names, and I have personally dealt with three cases of beatings because of a guy "looked gay at me".
As much of this policy is set as a restriction, unfortunately it is also sometimes for protection. And also unforunately disdain for different lifestyles is not strictly a "stupid - American" phenomenon. It is all over the world.
Blast away, but that doesnt make reality any less real. Although most of us wish it was.
Garry....may I direct you to the PWI thread?Wino you know wrote:Betty Botter bought a bit of butter. "But," she said, "this butter's bitter!
If I put it in my batter, it will make my batter bitter!"
So she bought a bit of butter better than her bitter butter,
And she put it in her batter, and her batter was not bitter.
So 'twas better Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter.
You may if you wish, but I don't know how much good it will do.MammaBear wrote:Garry....may I direct you to the PWI thread?Wino you know wrote:Betty Botter bought a bit of butter. "But," she said, "this butter's bitter!
If I put it in my batter, it will make my batter bitter!"
So she bought a bit of butter better than her bitter butter,
And she put it in her batter, and her batter was not bitter.
So 'twas better Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter.
I'm so dadgum glad you responded!!! As I was reading the initial post I actually thought to myself that my father wasn't that damn prejudiced. It's not as if I've never seen that type of attitude - it's just that it's been so long and it's so painful to witness.SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Sorry, it doesn't wash. These were the same arguments used to keep people of color (there are violent, closed-minded, racist people in the military) and women (it's for their own protection) out of the military for decades. Those arguments didn't wash then and they don't wash now for gays/lesbians, either. If a noose were to be hung in an African-American's bunk today, every effort would be made to find and prosecute the perpetrator. Violent, close-minded people do not belong in the military. Totally offensive racial and gender-based jokes used to be rampant in the military; they are unacceptable today. Beatings used to happen because "that n***** looked at me wrong." Today, that gets prosecuted. When the leadership of the military makes it clear that violence and offensive comments toward/about gays/lesbians will not be tolerated and will be prosecuted, it will stop.Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:Tikitatas and PH4ever I agree with you how things SHOULD be, my posts are based in the way things are in reality. Yes women, straight and gay, serve same as men in military. But volunteer some time in a JAG office or a recruiting station. As in all of society there are many young men that enlist are bright, guided people that want to serve their country. There are many that are violent, closed minded people that see this as an only option. Unfortunately I have first hand experience with many of the latter. I just dont believe that anyone (tikitatas included) understand the mindset of some of these guys. The amount of offensive gay jokes, the calling each other slang gay names, and I have personally dealt with three cases of beatings because of a guy "looked gay at me".
As much of this policy is set as a restriction, unfortunately it is also sometimes for protection. And also unforunately disdain for different lifestyles is not strictly a "stupid - American" phenomenon. It is all over the world.
Blast away, but that doesnt make reality any less real. Although most of us wish it was.
And that doesn't even mean people will have to agree with or accept the lifestyle, but they will have to keep their opinions from coloring their actions. I once had a commander who was open in his belief that women should be at home, not officers in the military. However, as he put it, "the leadership of this country and military has decided you should be here, and I follow orders." He treated every one of his officers the same despite his opinion on the matter. Even in the military, opinions and feelings don't get legislated. Actions, however, do.
Hear, hear!!!!pair8head wrote:BOTTOM LINE
If I am in a shooting war I want the best damn people in the world doing their best to make sure we win.
That's all I have to say about that.
Anybody happen to notice that if you pluralize the L-word, the autocensor lets it through?tikitatas wrote:Only men? I started this thread after reading about Dan Choi, but the article referenced gay and lesbians in the military.
As for causing an uproar, why should this be an issue like any other that gets mentioned here. I wanted information, because I genuinely did not know about the history of this policy.
Nobody could type that drunk!MammaBear wrote:Garry....may I direct you to the PWI thread?Wino you know wrote:Betty Botter bought a bit of butter. "But," she said, "this butter's bitter!
If I put it in my batter, it will make my batter bitter!"
So she bought a bit of butter better than her bitter butter,
And she put it in her batter, and her batter was not bitter.
So 'twas better Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter.
LESBIANS!!!!!Bicycle Bill wrote:Anybody happen to notice that if you pluralize the L-word, the autocensor lets it through?tikitatas wrote:Only men? I started this thread after reading about Dan Choi, but the article referenced gay and lesbians in the military.
As for causing an uproar, why should this be an issue like any other that gets mentioned here. I wanted information, because I genuinely did not know about the history of this policy.
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Salukulady wrote:LESBIANS!!!!!Bicycle Bill wrote:Anybody happen to notice that if you pluralize the L-word, the autocensor lets it through?tikitatas wrote:Only men? I started this thread after reading about Dan Choi, but the article referenced gay and lesbians in the military.
As for causing an uproar, why should this be an issue like any other that gets mentioned here. I wanted information, because I genuinely did not know about the history of this policy.
-"BB"-
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As for causing an uproar, why should this be an issue like any other that gets mentioned here. I wanted information, because I genuinely did not know about the history of this policy.
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Well, so it does.
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As for causing an uproar, why should this be an issue like any other that gets mentioned here. I wanted information, because I genuinely did not know about the history of this policy.
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Well, so it does.
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