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Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 8:16 pm
by aeroparrot
MammaBear wrote:This happened at my son's middle school last year. The young lady sent a photo to her boyfriend who then proceeded to send to his friends via cell phone and computer.

Then the young lady's parents found out - the young girl was mortified and told her Mom. The police made a visit to the school and there were threats to arrest the boy for underage p***, etc. even though he was also an eight grader. A letter went home to the parents asking that parents talk to their boys and make sure the picture was deleted from cell phones and computers.

According to the kids, the girl freely sent the picture to the boy. However, after that, cell phones were banned from the school even at extracuricular activites because of the ease of taking "inappropriate'"pictures of another student. I always wondered if it was worded that way to lead people to believe the picture was taken without her knowledge.

Never really got the full story but hopefully it has passed over for both of them. This caused so much heartache and distress to all involved, I am surprised they survived the school year. As a parent of a boy, I was horrified to think that this young boy could be arrested for acting like a teenage boy (albeit with questionable judgement) for an inappropriate picture sent to his phone.

I just hope my 15 year old son would show better judgement if in that situation and learn from other's mistakes...maybe lock him away in an all boy's boarding school until 18 wtihout a phone, computer, ipod touch, ??????????????????????????
I think the police showed good restraint here. Usually, kids that age just need a "Holy s***" scare if they are doing something this bad once. Now that they have the warning from the police (and also the parents I assume who will keep an eye on the kids more), then there should be harsher punishment if it is done again.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 8:18 pm
by sonofabeach
I was just telling the wife the other day how weird it would be if we both somehow bite the big one and our parents stumbled accross our box of pics :oops: But then we'd be dead so I guess it would not matter :lol:
Years back when I first got a camera phone I sent a nekkie pic to my wife who did not like it at all...the pic not the contents of the pic. T.M.I. it's what I do :lol:
I have no problem with adults taking pics, heck thanks to camera phones I've seen two of my brother's girlfriends topless.
He did not post them online though, just forced me to look one day.
A few years ago at work a hot lady was showing pics of her kids on her phone. She let my brother hold it and he scrolled to a close up pic of her cho-cha. She was so embarrassed and claimed she forgot it was on there. How do you forget that?
I think it was her way of asking him out. Sadly, I was off that day :x

but seriously folks....

I don't think the guy should be charged but it was a very uncool thing to do. There should be some kind of punishment from his parents. The girl willingly posed and sent the pic to a horny teenager and with horny teenagers anything could happen.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 8:19 pm
by Moonie
TommyBahama wrote:
Moonie wrote:waay to may children, and older, have absolutely no home life. No one sets an example for them to follow, or too many times the example they see at home is a complete nightmare.

drugs, sex, too many Uncles coming and going, they're turned loose to do as they please....

which can make it very difficult when you're trying to raise kids in a somewhat traditional way, ie, traditional values, etc.

the school secretary's office/nurse's office has become a drug store from preschool/kdg. on up.

I wish I had the answers, it's a very troubling situation. it is not a schools responsibility to raise our children, but it's what they're being asked to do.
it's very sad.....and i hate to say it....but a lot of young women now are teases( not that boys can't be)....and want the attention!!!!......i see the way my niece dresses and acts toward boys she's 20......and to ask what could be a stupid question....is it no different at Buffett shows when girls flash and pictures are taken...you never know were those could end up!!...just asking!!
just 20? it makes you shudder, sometimes, to see the way 5th and 6th grade girls dress, even 4th grade.

some blame has to lie with the clothing manufacturer's, the fact that they can purchase, in their department, the suggestive clothing they buy and wear.

some of what the wear is absolutely a tease.

but society asks them every day to grown up...recess/play time is completely non-existent, at some elementary schools.

we have dances at the school where I work...a dance for 5th and 6th graders. :-? I dunno, I was still pretty much a kid when I was that age, of course, it was eons ago.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 8:30 pm
by MammaBear
sonofabeach wrote:I was just telling the wife the other day how weird it would be if we both somehow bite the big one and our parents stumbled accross our box of pics :oops: But then we'd be dead so I guess it would not matter :lol:
Years back when I first got a camera phone I sent a nekkie pic to my wife who did not like it at all...the pic not the contents of the pic. T.M.I. it's what I do :lol:
I have no problem with adults taking pics, heck thanks to camera phones I've seen two of my brother's girlfriends topless.
He did not post them online though, just forced me to look one day.
A few years ago at work a hot lady was showing pics of her kids on her phone. She let my brother hold it and he scrolled to a close up pic of her cho-cha. She was so embarrassed and claimed she forgot it was on there. How do you forget that?
I think it was her way of asking him out. Sadly, I was off that day :x

but seriously folks....

I don't think the guy should be charged but it was a very uncool thing to do. The girl willingly posed and sent the pic to a horny teenager and with horny teenagers anything could happen.
Your brother FORCED you to look??? You poor baby....hopefully you got therapy......
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Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 8:36 pm
by sonofabeach
MammaBear wrote:
sonofabeach wrote:I was just telling the wife the other day how weird it would be if we both somehow bite the big one and our parents stumbled accross our box of pics :oops: But then we'd be dead so I guess it would not matter :lol:
Years back when I first got a camera phone I sent a nekkie pic to my wife who did not like it at all...the pic not the contents of the pic. T.M.I. it's what I do :lol:
I have no problem with adults taking pics, heck thanks to camera phones I've seen two of my brother's girlfriends topless.
He did not post them online though, just forced me to look one day.
A few years ago at work a hot lady was showing pics of her kids on her phone. She let my brother hold it and he scrolled to a close up pic of her cho-cha. She was so embarrassed and claimed she forgot it was on there. How do you forget that?
I think it was her way of asking him out. Sadly, I was off that day :x

but seriously folks....

I don't think the guy should be charged but it was a very uncool thing to do. The girl willingly posed and sent the pic to a horny teenager and with horny teenagers anything could happen.
Your brother FORCED you to look??? You poor baby....hopefully you got therapy......
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It was like a train wreck..you just had to look :lol: I'm so primal

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 8:52 pm
by LIPH
TropicalTroubador wrote:Well, for the last fifty years, lawyers, politicians, and every advertiser in the world have been convincing us that none of us is ever responsible for anything we do. Hence McDonald's gets sued when someone spills coffee on themselves, amusement parks get sued when people climb over fences and get killed by rides, and no doubt there will be a lawsuit or three over this latest incident. The lawyers don't care; they all get paid by the hour for dragging out the fights.
Not all lawyers, it's the plaintiff's bar that files these kind of suits. And most, if not all, of the time they're not getting paid by the hour. Cases like that are taken on a contingency basis and the lawyer doesn't get a dime unless he wins.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 8:54 pm
by Desdamona
I wanna know why everybody's on the phone anyway. You can't have that much to say
all the time, thus the "image sharing". :roll: I guess phone sex gets boring after a while?

The best way I know of to keep kids out of trouble - we have two ~30 yr old sons - is to
stay involved with their lives. It's not necessarily the way you might want to spend your
free time, but it definitely beats the pain of drug involvement and suicides! Their yours,
usually by choice, so parents, live up to your responsibilities!

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 9:04 pm
by sonofabeach
Desdamona wrote:I wanna know why everybody's on the phone anyway. You can't have that much to say
all the time, thus the "image sharing". :roll: I guess phone sex gets boring after a while?
It's called "sexting". Where've I been? First time I heard the term was today.

Sexting (a portmanteau of sex and texting) is the act of sending sexually explicit messages or photos electronically, primarily between cell phones

Call me old fashioned. I'd prefer phone sex. :lol: It's safer

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 9:47 pm
by Migration Michelle
What a very sad story.

God help all of us who are the parents of teens and pre-teens in this day and age.
It is next to impossible to slow their development down.

They mature earlier. They are exposed to so much more with computers and phones.

When I had children 13 years ago, I had NO CLUE that the world would be this way.

Raising children these days is very difficult, especially with old fashioned values.
It is NOT AT ALL the way we were raised. Absolutely NOTHING about society is the same.
And when you do stand firm, stay involved, enforce strict rules, etc., you are looked down upon by everyone else.
It takes a very strong person to stand up to all of this pressure.

It's hard to judge that family. All I can do is say a prayer for them and say "there but for the grace of God, go I."

Re: "Sexting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 11:35 pm
by Tiki Torches
Desdamona wrote:I wanna know why everybody's on the phone anyway. You can't have that much to say all the time, thus the "image sharing".
I'm not sure if anyone else saw it but on last weekend's edition of Sunday Morning, they did a segment on Blackberry Mania. As noted in the blog entry below none of that particular segment is available online but I did find this:

Also heard a think piece by Jeff Greenfield on the Mother’s Day edition of CBS Sunday Morning. His subject, which is unfortunately not captured online in video or text, was “Blackberry Mania.” He cited the Laputa society of Jonathan Swift’s “Gulliver’s Travels,” so consumed with their own deep thoughts they required floggers to keep them from crashing into themselves. All this led into a b-roll shot of pedestrians on cell phones and iPods.

With that image in mind, I’ll lead in to the ultimately closing act of all time, Bob Dylan. His current Rolling Stone interview is not available in its entirety online, so I’ll cite his golden quote here:

"It’s peculiar and unnerving in a way to see so many young people walking around with cell phones and iPods in their ears and so wrapped up in media and video games. It robs them of their self-identity. It’s a shame to see them so tuned out to real life. Of course they are free to do that, as if that’s got anything to do with freedom. The cost of liberty is high, and young people should understand that before they start spending their life with all those gadgets."

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 14, 2009 11:58 pm
by citcat
Desdamona wrote:I wanna know why everybody's on the phone anyway. You can't have that much to say
all the time, thus the "image sharing". :roll: I guess phone sex gets boring after a while?

The best way I know of to keep kids out of trouble - we have two ~30 yr old sons - is to
stay involved with their lives. It's not necessarily the way you might want to spend your
free time, but it definitely beats the pain of drug involvement and suicides! Their yours,
usually by choice, so parents, live up to your responsibilities!
Exactly.
And on Law and Order they touched on this subject. They arrested the girl who texted her nekkid/lewd pictures to a couple of boys, for distributing child pornography and threatened that she would be on a sex offenders list. Maybe the laws need to catch up with the internet crimes. Craig's list has ads for "intimate massages" which is simply prostitution. Ain't that against the law in most states ? How will the lawmakers EVER keep up with all the internet crime ?????? :evil:

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 15, 2009 12:29 am
by SMLCHNG
No matter what the reason or cause. Suicide is the cowardly way out of any situaton.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 15, 2009 12:57 am
by Moonie
Migration Michelle wrote:What a very sad story.

God help all of us who are the parents of teens and pre-teens in this day and age.


It's hard to judge that family. All I can do is say a prayer for them and say "there but for the grace of God, go I."
s sign of the times, I guess.....

mine are raised. the youngest will turn 30 this summer and has two wonderful boys of her own..

I cannot tell you how many times through their years I've said/thought that very same thing "there but for the grace of God, go I."


Peace be with Them.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 15, 2009 1:27 am
by Spider Johnson
SMLCHNG wrote:No matter what the reason or cause. Suicide is the cowardly way out of any situaton.
It is also is also the only "apparent" solution for for those who think they have reached the point of suicide/no return, or feel they cannot possibly face the humiliation or whatever, that pushed them to the edge. A last act of desperation.

Then again, the view of suicide does vary with different societies. One only need look at WWII Japan's Kamakazis or the act of Sepaku, or even the current day and age of the "suicide/homicide" bombers. A tragic waste of life. Yet it was/is accepted and even Honorable, in those societies.

Pre-teens and teens that suicide, have no idea of what life is really about. Their lives have only just begun.
It says a lot about our society and parenting, and what it has become, when children or teens commit suicide. The Dylan quote hit the nail on the head.

Also, when society,doctors, and parents accept medicating kids into zombies, so the parents don't have to deal with the child (or children). How can the kid(s) ever learn to deal with problems they are going to face as they go through life? That is if they survive long enough to make it to adulthood. One day some of those surviving kids are going to be our leaders.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 15, 2009 7:15 am
by ScarletB
Desdamona wrote:I wanna know why everybody's on the phone anyway. You can't have that much to say
all the time, thus the "image sharing". :roll: I guess phone sex gets boring after a while?

The best way I know of to keep kids out of trouble - we have two ~30 yr old sons - is to
stay involved with their lives. It's not necessarily the way you might want to spend your
free time, but it definitely beats the pain of drug involvement and suicides! Their yours,
usually by choice, so parents, live up to your responsibilities!
That was kind of my take on it Des - but again, I can't speak to this because I don't have any kids.
It's a good thing I wasn't the interviewer because I would have HAD to ask the question about personal responsibility to that grieving mother. Maybe part of the problem is that no one DOES. She blamed everyone else, never even acknowledging that her daughter made a tragic error in judgement. I don't remember hearing anyone before or after that interview making any comments about NOT engaging in that kind of behavior to begin with.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 15, 2009 11:03 am
by flyboy55
Very tragic situation for the family of this young girl.

Obviously the pictures were a mistake in the first place, but teens have been making mistakes like this since forever. Also, teen boys, as everyone knows, have been doing this kind of juvenile 'bragging' since forever, too.

However, if it had been my son who had distributed the pictures, I'd have kicked his sorry A$$. Wasn't anyone teaching this young boy simple respect and courtesy, or am I too old fashioned?

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 15, 2009 3:18 pm
by Hockey Mon
ScarletB wrote:
Desdamona wrote:I wanna know why everybody's on the phone anyway. You can't have that much to say
all the time, thus the "image sharing". :roll: I guess phone sex gets boring after a while?

The best way I know of to keep kids out of trouble - we have two ~30 yr old sons - is to
stay involved with their lives. It's not necessarily the way you might want to spend your
free time, but it definitely beats the pain of drug involvement and suicides! Their yours,
usually by choice, so parents, live up to your responsibilities!
That was kind of my take on it Des - but again, I can't speak to this because I don't have any kids.
It's a good thing I wasn't the interviewer because I would have HAD to ask the question about personal responsibility to that grieving mother. Maybe part of the problem is that no one DOES. She blamed everyone else, never even acknowledging that her daughter made a tragic error in judgement. I don't remember hearing anyone before or after that interview making any comments about NOT engaging in that kind of behavior to begin with.
While I am not a certified psychologist, I wonder if part of this is just the tremendous amount of pain she feels and the easiest thing to do is to blame someone else. It's hard to initIally blame yourself for something so horrible. Perhaps, over time, she will realize that she needs to look inside to find the root cause of the problem.
It most be noted that while I am not a certified psychologist (as stated above), some would say I am certifiable and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 15, 2009 9:46 pm
by Tiki Torches
SMLCHNG wrote:No matter what the reason or cause. Suicide is the cowardly way out of any situaton.
Yet there were some that perceived Hunter S. Thompson's suicide to be a noble act.

Re: "Se*ting suicide"

Posted: May 16, 2009 12:05 am
by Salukulady
Suicide is never the answer. This girl had major emotional problems that started many years before the pictures were taken.

Whatever happened to just getting even with the bastard.

I had a best friend in High School. She was dating a guy, they were both sophmores, 10th grade. One day she and him got crazy in one of the practice rooms in the band room. They were boyfriend and girlfriend and she trusted him. Well, she found out he had the maturity of a freshman when he started telling all of his buddies what they did. The guy had a huge ego. She broke it off.

And then she and I made a plan.....and we waited.......we waited until the the beginning of our Junior year. We knew someone who was in charge of the ballots for the class presidents. We ran the bastard (a junior) for Freshman Class President. The night before the election we hung huge "Vote for Bob, he's got the Balls" signs all over campus. We had several off color slogans posted everywhere. At lunch, on election day we saw him and the principal taking down the offensive signs. He got in a lot of trouble and they never figured out who did it. She and I and the person who helped get his name on the ballots had our own little victory party. It was sweet revenge, without really hurting anyone.

That's how Bastards should be handled.