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Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 8:45 am
by LIPH
Migration Michelle wrote:I went away for 3 days and thought this thread would disappear. I CANNOT believe it is still in full force.
I, for one, could care less which venues he plays. I will go to whichever ones I like.
There is only one show per year within a 40 minute drive from my house.
EVERY other venue requires airfare. Why all the bitching and complaining?
You either want to see Jimmy or you don't. Travel or don't travel...who gives a flying f*#%?
No artist plays in everyone's backyard.
Jimmy gives us MANY options to see him every year...and a free station to listen to every one...
and only for a limited time and there will be no more.
It this thread bothers you so much why read it? I realize that's a novel concept, ignoring threads about topics you don't like, but maybe if you stepped away from the landshark flavored koolaid you'd get a clue.

Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 10:00 am
by mermaidindisguise
I was thinking about the whole Buffett Experience.... I don't know how many of you are willing to admit this - but I am (and this is no offense to Jimmy....)
When I think back on all the fun times I have at Buffett shows and the things I remember the most that make me want to do it again .. for ME, being the social butterfly that I am
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I remember the parking lots more than the concerts. Yes - I love theshows... and ofcourse the closer the better.. but when Les and I are not able to buy tickets... we have gone to just the tailgate and had THE BEST time - because what we really look forward to is seeing our olpd phriends... meeting new ones...... I get to hear his music ALL the time- we have playlists of our favorite music categorized by what mood we are in at the time .. it's sick really
But my point... It's not fair for me to completely emphasize with west coast fans bc truly they are in a position I am not. I understand the frustration.... But if I put myself in their flip flops for a bit - and put my most resourceful thinking cap on - I think I would say... no concert.... NO PROBLEM..... and I would organize the biggest tailgate ever... find the best central location that you couldfind... making as many people happy as possible... and just tailgate your cheseburger buns off! You would have a blast!!!! It would be everything except a live concert. You would save money on tix andt-shirts.. and put it towards more food and liquor for tailgating!!! I think it wouldbe a great way to say.. "We love ya Jimmy... Ya may have dissed us this time.. but we gypsies don't need a palace to party!!!
I know there will bea time when he won't tour anymore - and i was laready planning to keep thetailgaiting going.... but this may be a good way to get it started without him!!!
Does anyone else enjoy tailgating more than the concerts???? Think about WHY you REALLY like goingto shows.... andbe honest... is it really the concerts? Or is it the huge party that takes place - sometimes 1-2 days before the concert?

Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 10:05 am
by sunseeker
I think that is the best advice EVER! I think it was 2007 that he skipped NC all together and we threw a tailgate party in someone's back yard. And it was AWESOME!
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 10:12 am
by mermaidindisguise
sunseeker wrote:I think that is the best advice EVER! I think it was 2007 that he skipped NC all together and we through a tailgate party in someone's back yard. And it was AWESOME!
Now THAT is what I am talkin about!!!!!!!
And you know there is always some place somewhere that would be a great party spot!!
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 11:21 am
by dean_siu
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:I'll answer your questions, Dean.
I think the health/family issues is a pretty remote possibility. Wouldn't make sense that he'd have shows on either side of those October dates in either of those situations. Just MHO...but I would consider both of those to be the least likely scenarios. If they were, however...would he be obligated to tell us? Obligated...nope. But a good businessman would issue some sort of statement, if only to quell any potential rumors.
As for the second question...something else in the works, again, a simple statement would suffice until more info could be released. People have scheduled that time off work as a vacation, most don't have the flexibility to change that. If the concerts were to be rescheduled, the more lead time he gives, the better for most, and for ticket sales. I'm one of those folks who believes this Landshark deal didn't just come out of the blue, it's been in the works for awhile. So by now he should have a pretty good clue of what's going on....how much longer should he (or we) have to wait?
I also think the whole ticket sales scenario is bologna too. If one were to base the fall west coast swing simply on Spring Vegas numbers, they'd have to be a complete idjit. Everyone knows Vegas has been SLAMMED by the recession...to think that Jimmy wouldn't be at all affected by that is beyond ludicrous. If anything, I'd say a number of Jimmy's fans have been hit harder by the recession than many other fans, simply because they have a lot more to lose. As has been mentioned, Vegas is a destination concert...the vast majority have to travel to see him there. As a destination, Vegas has taken one of the biggest hits in the country, so to see lower ticket sales there shouldn't have surprised anyone, least of all Jimmy. The man ain't stupid.
At this point I'd really be surprised if the Landshark deal didn't have something to do with the cancellations. But heck, I've been surprised before, once or twice.

And in the big scheme of life, I'd be happiest with that option, because I certainly don't want anything to be wrong with Jimmy or his family, nor do I want slow ticket sales in one market influencing the rest of Jimmy's options in that part of the country. If Jimmy's got a new deal, woot for him! I just want to get some sort of answer so I can move on and plan accordingly.
I'll sum it up in Reader's Digest form: No, he isn't "obligated" to tell us his "business". But he didn't get to where he is today by p!ssing on his fans, so why start now? A simple statement would certainly appease a lot of folks. Then again...the whole thing does give us a lot to drink about.
BTW...where are you living now?
I'm actually living in Farmington, New Mexico...sorry its taken me a couple of days to respond, but I was actually back in Vegas this weekend enjoying a 3 day weekend.
Although I agree that health / family issues are a remote possiblity, I really think its more likely than a Landshark Stadium show. As I mentioned in another thread, the stadium has to be open for a possible appearance of the Marlins in the baseball playoffs. In addition, if they don't make it, the diamond is always sodded over after the season is complete and a concert on the field (with thousands of fans) would be detrimental to getting the field in great shape.
If I were him and it was a personal issue, I would not say a thing. In this day and age, it would only bring out the paparazzi and make him a feature on Extra, Inside Edition, and the cover story of the National Enquirer. No thank you.
As for ticket sales, I don't think October shows in Vegas would do any better than the show did a week ago. The economy is not going to magically improve in the next month or two.....it may not even improve in time for a 2010 show (please don't turn this thread into a political discussion about that....I think that would be the case no matter who was in office).
I think we all should have assumed that any announced plans were subject to change when the November shows disappeared from margaritaville shortly after being announced. Granted, they reappeared in the last week....but I don't think anyone knew what was happening until than.
Ideally, I'd love to have Jimmy play a show in my backyard....but I know that isn't going to happen. As long as he's touring every year (something not many performers do at 64 years of age), I'm happy and I'll go where and when I can (unfortunately its not as much as I'd like to do).
I was looking forward to an October show in Las Vegas as well....but as others have said before, if these cancellations are the worst thing happening in your life, be grateful.....you're a lot better off than a lot of Americans are these day.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 11:29 am
by RinglingRingling
I think we all should have assumed that any announced plans were subject to change when the November shows disappeared from margaritaville shortly after being announced. Granted, they reappeared in the last week....but I don't think anyone knew what was happening until than.
The drawback to this is that if you do it for one show or one segment/region, then you have to do it for all. If you cannot depend on an announcement from the man himself, as well as listings on M'ville.com and Ticketba$tard as being credible, how do you figure any date is credible?
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 11:40 am
by AlbatrossFlyer
RinglingRingling wrote:
The drawback to this is that if you do it for one show or one segment/region, then you have to do it for all. If you cannot depend on an announcement from the man himself, as well as listings on M'ville.com and Ticketba$tard as being credible, how do you figure any date is credible?
easy, you don't.....
many a concert from many an artist has gone on sale, sold tickets and then cancelled. lousy ticket sales, artist gets sick, in jimmy's case his mother dying. pick a reason.
until tickets actually go on sale, I wouldn't trust any date as good. and even after buying a ticket I'd take into consideration a cancellation.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:04 pm
by Brown Eyed Girl
No worries, Dean...I remembered you were back in Vegas over the weekend.

Farmington, huh? Hope it has been a good move for you. NM is another state I enjoy visiting very much...maybe you should have a phlocking!

And on a side note...I dug out my old digital camera to give to my aunt and there were still pics on the memory card of you in your boxers getting paddled in Irvine.
I agree with your Vegas assessment...but I still stand by my statement that one should not judge all ticket sales based on the destination city that has been hit hardest by the recession. I really doubt that is the case, but in the remote chance that it is, I just wanted to voice my opinion.
Certainly Jimmy cancelling a show isn't the biggest issue in my life, nor in anyone elses. But unlike some who delight in bragging that they have the $$ and flexibility to go to any show they want, we don't. SD was a doable show for us (unless Kelly's flying), the others aren't. It's not the end of the world for us, just a disappointment since it was a chance to see friends, see Jimmy, relax and surf (well, no surfing for me, lol). Nothing like killing a lot of birds with one stone!
As for those wanting this thread to die...check yourselves. Maybe when you stop making the digs and snide comments in other threads, it will. ALL of us are guilty of b**tching about something Jimmy does, it's the nature of the beast. But some are guiltier (more guilty? hmmm) of perpetuating the problem than others. I've tried very hard to remain civil in this thread and explain my disappointment, but it seems certain folks just read what they want and ignore the rest. How sad.

There have been over the top comments from both sides of the issue. C'mon people, we're better than that. We don't want to bring in Rodney King as a moderator, do we?

Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:04 pm
by RinglingRingling
AlbatrossFlyer wrote:RinglingRingling wrote:
The drawback to this is that if you do it for one show or one segment/region, then you have to do it for all. If you cannot depend on an announcement from the man himself, as well as listings on M'ville.com and Ticketba$tard as being credible, how do you figure any date is credible?
easy, you don't.....
many a concert from many an artist has gone on sale, sold tickets and then cancelled. lousy ticket sales, artist gets sick, in jimmy's case his mother dying. pick a reason.
until tickets actually go on sale, I wouldn't trust any date as good. and even after buying a ticket I'd take into consideration a cancellation.
then basically all shows are locals only if you follow that out to its conclusion.
as an addendum: artists getting sick, sure. Act of God/natural disaster, yes. Close family member dying, unless you are a complete sociopath that works as an explanation.
However: all of the ideas you offer fail: tickets did not go on sale, so poor sales can't be used. Illness, a bit hard to believe given the release of new dates in Nov. after the cancelled ones. West Coast is not aflame, and Seattle is too soggy to ignite and no way of predicting a meteor strike or an earthquake. Death, sure, but if cancelling now, that's more of a premeditated murder than death in the family.
basically: pulling the dates without an explanation; trying to hide the pull; and the fact that the Seattle and San Diego shows were left off the tour shirts when that order was placed prior to the start of the tour all make it difficult to believe it isn't a case of "something better came along". Failing to get out in front of it by announcing the removal of the SEA and SD shows was bad judgement, and sitting silently apparently hoping it will go away is not customer-friendly. And whether the koolaid drinkers want to admit it or not, Jimmy is the employee here being hired to perform at a venue. Poor customer service kills a business.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:08 pm
by CraziFuzzy
dean_siu wrote:As for ticket sales, I don't think October shows in Vegas would do any better than the show did a week ago. The economy is not going to magically improve in the next month or two.....it may not even improve in time for a 2010 show (please don't turn this thread into a political discussion about that....I think that would be the case no matter who was in office).
I'd be willing to bet there were a LOT of people who chose NOT to go to the may show because of the fall shows. Last 2 weekends in October in Vegas has pretty much reached tradition status, so when looking at 3 dates to choose from, most would choose October (I know I did, as well as many others on here and elsewhere). If the Vegas dates had disappeared the day before the last Vegas show, that show would have been sold out. I know we would have called off and got in the car.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:09 pm
by flipflopgirl
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:No worries, Dean...I remembered you were back in Vegas over the weekend.

Farmington, huh? Hope it has been a good move for you. NM is another state I enjoy visiting very much...maybe you should have a phlocking!

And on a side note...I dug out my old digital camera to give to my aunt and there were still pics on the memory card of you in your boxers getting paddled in Irvine.
I agree with your Vegas assessment...but I still stand by my statement that one should not judge all ticket sales based on the destination city that has been hit hardest by the recession. I really doubt that is the case, but in the remote chance that it is, I just wanted to voice my opinion.
Certainly Jimmy cancelling a show isn't the biggest issue in my life, nor in anyone elses. But unlike some who delight in bragging that they have the $$ and flexibility to go to any show they want, we don't. SD was a doable show for us (unless Kelly's flying), the others aren't. It's not the end of the world for us, just a disappointment since it was a chance to see friends, see Jimmy, relax and surf (well, no surfing for me, lol). Nothing like killing a lot of birds with one stone!
As for those wanting this thread to die...check yourselves. Maybe when you stop making the digs and snide comments in other threads, it will. ALL of us are guilty of b**tching about something Jimmy does, it's the nature of the beast. But some are guiltier (more guilty? hmmm) of perpetuating the problem than others. I've tried very hard to remain civil in this thread and explain my disappointment, but it seems certain folks just read what they want and ignore the rest. How sad.

There have been over the top comments from both sides of the issue. C'mon people, we're better than that. We don't want to bring in Rodney King as a moderator, do we?

Very well said Kat!!!!

Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:14 pm
by AlbatrossFlyer
flipflopgirl wrote:Brown Eyed Girl wrote:No worries, Dean...I remembered you were back in Vegas over the weekend.

Farmington, huh? Hope it has been a good move for you. NM is another state I enjoy visiting very much...maybe you should have a phlocking!

And on a side note...I dug out my old digital camera to give to my aunt and there were still pics on the memory card of you in your boxers getting paddled in Irvine.
I agree with your Vegas assessment...but I still stand by my statement that one should not judge all ticket sales based on the destination city that has been hit hardest by the recession. I really doubt that is the case, but in the remote chance that it is, I just wanted to voice my opinion.
Certainly Jimmy cancelling a show isn't the biggest issue in my life, nor in anyone elses. But unlike some who delight in bragging that they have the $$ and flexibility to go to any show they want, we don't. SD was a doable show for us (unless Kelly's flying), the others aren't. It's not the end of the world for us, just a disappointment since it was a chance to see friends, see Jimmy, relax and surf (well, no surfing for me, lol). Nothing like killing a lot of birds with one stone!
As for those wanting this thread to die...check yourselves. Maybe when you stop making the digs and snide comments in other threads, it will. ALL of us are guilty of b**tching about something Jimmy does, it's the nature of the beast. But some are guiltier (more guilty? hmmm) of perpetuating the problem than others. I've tried very hard to remain civil in this thread and explain my disappointment, but it seems certain folks just read what they want and ignore the rest. How sad.

There have been over the top comments from both sides of the issue. C'mon people, we're better than that. We don't want to bring in Rodney King as a moderator, do we?

Very well said Kat!!!!

i'm really p*** jimmy played PHX instead of Foxy's....
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:23 pm
by Brown Eyed Girl
AlbatrossFlyer wrote:flipflopgirl wrote:Brown Eyed Girl wrote:No worries, Dean...I remembered you were back in Vegas over the weekend.

Farmington, huh? Hope it has been a good move for you. NM is another state I enjoy visiting very much...maybe you should have a phlocking!

And on a side note...I dug out my old digital camera to give to my aunt and there were still pics on the memory card of you in your boxers getting paddled in Irvine.
I agree with your Vegas assessment...but I still stand by my statement that one should not judge all ticket sales based on the destination city that has been hit hardest by the recession. I really doubt that is the case, but in the remote chance that it is, I just wanted to voice my opinion.
Certainly Jimmy cancelling a show isn't the biggest issue in my life, nor in anyone elses. But unlike some who delight in bragging that they have the $$ and flexibility to go to any show they want, we don't. SD was a doable show for us (unless Kelly's flying), the others aren't. It's not the end of the world for us, just a disappointment since it was a chance to see friends, see Jimmy, relax and surf (well, no surfing for me, lol). Nothing like killing a lot of birds with one stone!
As for those wanting this thread to die...check yourselves. Maybe when you stop making the digs and snide comments in other threads, it will. ALL of us are guilty of b**tching about something Jimmy does, it's the nature of the beast. But some are guiltier (more guilty? hmmm) of perpetuating the problem than others. I've tried very hard to remain civil in this thread and explain my disappointment, but it seems certain folks just read what they want and ignore the rest. How sad.

There have been over the top comments from both sides of the issue. C'mon people, we're better than that. We don't want to bring in Rodney King as a moderator, do we?

Very well said Kat!!!!

i'm really p*** jimmy played PHX instead of Foxy's....
And I'm really p**sed that you chose Foxy's over being with us in PHX!

Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:29 pm
by C-Dawg
Brown Eyed Girl wrote:No worries, Dean...I remembered you were back in Vegas over the weekend.

Farmington, huh? Hope it has been a good move for you. NM is another state I enjoy visiting very much...maybe you should have a phlocking!

And on a side note...I dug out my old digital camera to give to my aunt and there were still pics on the memory card of you in your boxers getting paddled in Irvine.
I agree with your Vegas assessment...but I still stand by my statement that one should not judge all ticket sales based on the destination city that has been hit hardest by the recession. I really doubt that is the case, but in the remote chance that it is, I just wanted to voice my opinion.
Certainly Jimmy cancelling a show isn't the biggest issue in my life, nor in anyone elses. But unlike some who delight in bragging that they have the $$ and flexibility to go to any show they want, we don't. SD was a doable show for us (unless Kelly's flying), the others aren't. It's not the end of the world for us, just a disappointment since it was a chance to see friends, see Jimmy, relax and surf (well, no surfing for me, lol). Nothing like killing a lot of birds with one stone!
As for those wanting this thread to die...check yourselves. Maybe when you stop making the digs and snide comments in other threads, it will. ALL of us are guilty of b**tching about something Jimmy does, it's the nature of the beast. But some are guiltier (more guilty? hmmm) of perpetuating the problem than others. I've tried very hard to remain civil in this thread and explain my disappointment, but it seems certain folks just read what they want and ignore the rest. How sad.

There have been over the top comments from both sides of the issue. C'mon people, we're better than that. We don't want to bring in Rodney King as a moderator, do we?

As long as this and other threads like it continue, they will continue to create hate and discontent, and the negativity will leech into other threads. For me, just logging in and clicking "Latest Posts", as soon as this or one of the other threads like it come up, my affects my mood....and not in a good way.
If you want things to get back to what they were, and everyone to start to get along, lock up this and the other negative threads. Everyone has had a week to get their hate and discontent out, it's time to let the healing begin.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 12:58 pm
by Tiki Bar
I just think it's a shame that something that none of us have any control over, can cause so much hostility between us. It is what it is.
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 1:02 pm
by RinglingRingling
C-Dawg wrote:As long as this and other threads like it continue, they will continue to create hate and discontent, and the negativity will leech into other threads. For me, just logging in and clicking "Latest Posts", as soon as this or one of the other threads like it come up, my affects my mood....and not in a good way.
If you want things to get back to what they were, and everyone to start to get along, lock up this and the other negative threads. Everyone has had a week to get their hate and discontent out, it's time to let the healing begin.
the political threads last fall were a lot more hate-filled, and vitriolic, they never got locked. I am sorry, but if your mood is that affected by a thread title, you might want to think about that. It's possible to ignore a thread; and imposing your feeling of what is negative or not, and what should be read seems a bit presumptious.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 1:07 pm
by Jmacboi
C-Dawg wrote:Brown Eyed Girl wrote:No worries, Dean...I remembered you were back in Vegas over the weekend.

Farmington, huh? Hope it has been a good move for you. NM is another state I enjoy visiting very much...maybe you should have a phlocking!

And on a side note...I dug out my old digital camera to give to my aunt and there were still pics on the memory card of you in your boxers getting paddled in Irvine.
I agree with your Vegas assessment...but I still stand by my statement that one should not judge all ticket sales based on the destination city that has been hit hardest by the recession. I really doubt that is the case, but in the remote chance that it is, I just wanted to voice my opinion.
Certainly Jimmy cancelling a show isn't the biggest issue in my life, nor in anyone elses. But unlike some who delight in bragging that they have the $$ and flexibility to go to any show they want, we don't. SD was a doable show for us (unless Kelly's flying), the others aren't. It's not the end of the world for us, just a disappointment since it was a chance to see friends, see Jimmy, relax and surf (well, no surfing for me, lol). Nothing like killing a lot of birds with one stone!
As for those wanting this thread to die...check yourselves. Maybe when you stop making the digs and snide comments in other threads, it will. ALL of us are guilty of b**tching about something Jimmy does, it's the nature of the beast. But some are guiltier (more guilty? hmmm) of perpetuating the problem than others. I've tried very hard to remain civil in this thread and explain my disappointment, but it seems certain folks just read what they want and ignore the rest. How sad.

There have been over the top comments from both sides of the issue. C'mon people, we're better than that. We don't want to bring in Rodney King as a moderator, do we?

As long as this and other threads like it continue, they will continue to create hate and discontent, and the negativity will leech into other threads. For me, just logging in and clicking "Latest Posts", as soon as this or one of the other threads like it come up, my affects my mood....and not in a good way.
If you want things to get back to what they were, and everyone to start to get along, lock up this and the other negative threads. Everyone has had a week to get their hate and discontent out, it's time to let the healing begin.
This isn't suppose to be a "Hate Thread" or a "Battering of Each Other Thread" it never was meant to be that kind of thread. It was just meant to vent frustrations about the canceled West Coast Dates. Obviously there's many people feeling the same thing. If you're fortunate and the canceled dates didn't have any impact on you or your plans, then please understand there's some of us who have been affected and feel the frustration. The World doesn't revolve around Jimmy Buffett or whether or not he canceled dates important to some of us. But, there has been some inconvenience and disappointment for many of us. I'm not sorry I started this thread for the right reason, but I am sorry if some people feel like there's been personal attacks amongst the BN faithful. Please don't let this affect your mood unless you choose to because the canceled dates actually mean something to you.
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Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 1:21 pm
by C-Dawg
RinglingRingling wrote:C-Dawg wrote:As long as this and other threads like it continue, they will continue to create hate and discontent, and the negativity will leech into other threads. For me, just logging in and clicking "Latest Posts", as soon as this or one of the other threads like it come up, my affects my mood....and not in a good way.
If you want things to get back to what they were, and everyone to start to get along, lock up this and the other negative threads. Everyone has had a week to get their hate and discontent out, it's time to let the healing begin.
the political threads last fall were a lot more hate-filled, and vitriolic, they never got locked. I am sorry, but if your mood is that affected by a thread title, you might want to think about that. It's possible to ignore a thread; and imposing your feeling of what is negative or not, and what should be read seems a bit presumptious.
Trust me, whether this thread continues or not is not going to determine whether I have a good day or a bad one, as I have some level of control over that by exposing myself to things that are either positive or negative.
All I've tried to do is express my feelings, and those of others who have PM'ed me expressing their sadness or frustration that these threads continue to cause hate and discontent throughout the board.
You're right R2, I don't have to read this thread, and after this post I'm done with it as I realize that my efforts were ineffective and too many are enjoying themselves by continuing to stir the pot.
Enjoy yourselves.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 1:27 pm
by popcornjack
I was going to post my own opinion about all of this, but I realized that it wasn't going to do anything to solve any problems, and probably only create more division among people, so I'll just say I hope everyone had a good weekend, hopefully had some time to spend it with friends and family and just enjoy life for a while.
Re: Not happy about the canceled West Coast Dates!
Posted: May 26, 2009 1:51 pm
by Indiana Jolly Mon
popcornjack wrote:I was going to post my own opinion about all of this, but I realized that it wasn't going to do anything to solve any problems, and probably only create more division among people, so I'll just say I hope everyone had a good weekend, hopefully had some time to spend it with friends and family and just enjoy life for a while.
So you are gonna talk about "life" in a positive spin? Kool aid drinker!!
