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Phins1026 wrote:So who's going to start the thread about Jimmy not being patriotic for leaving the US during the Independence Day holiday?

We sure do have a lot to drink about don't we?

I think you just nominated yourself.

ph4ever wrote:

sonofabeach wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

sonofabeach wrote:My family went out to Cracker Barrel the other day for dinner.
Both my uncle and my dad were wearing ball caps and I thought of this thread but there was a big dead bass hanging on the wall right next to us so I figure they get a pass

Did the bass sing?

it sang the national anthem and the stuffed raccoon did not even put his hand over heart

That's it!!! I'm writing a complaint letter to Cracker Barrel's corporate office!!

SPEW!

I don't often post on threads like this (or many threads at all here, as I am lurker extraordinaire), but...

I was raised in a military family and grew up loving all things military/patriotic, etc. My brother and sister never quite caught the bug like I did, and I don't remember my mother or my father being strict about things like this, but I very much was.

I knew exactly when to stand, which hats to remove and when (I'm a girl, so for me it's not all the time - Kentucky Derby hats, for example, to not come off ladies heads), when to put my hand over my heart and when not to, etc.

I never minded when all the cars had to stop at COB (that's "close of business" for you non-regs) every day for The National Anthem to be played over every speaker on base. I liked that the pingers (training recruits in the Air Force) stopped their marches and saluted for it, too.

I knew how to properly dispose of a flag and how to hang one.

I was very stringent in these things. In fact, one might say I was a bit of a dick. No one likes a know-it-all, and I was one.

I used to pass a business regularly when I made long treks through West Texas that flew the most tattered American flag you've ever seen out front. Once, I was on the phone with my father, a veteran of two wars and thirty-year Air Force man, and I told him about this place. I told him I wanted to stop every time I passed the business and tell them off for flying such a crappy banner.

I thought maybe they just hadn't noticed and they might appreciate knowing about it. My dad responded with this: "Or maybe they'd just tell you to mind your own damn business."

Pretty much. He was right. It's not my business to get into the affairs of others in the regard. I've relaxed a lot as an adult. As they say: Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff.

It doesn't hurt me if someone else doesn't take off their hat or flies an old flag. It doesn't make my father's career any less important.

In fact, it makes it more so.

A movie that I quite enjoy says this: "Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

Agreed. We don't need to go cutting hands or heads off for not placing them "where they belong" during the playing of a song. Any song.

I didn't notice that Jake was wearing a hat. I thought his playing kicked ass. If I had noticed, I wouldn't have cared, because performing musicians are not required to do so (I wouldn't have cared anyway, as I have very much tried to be the opposite of a dick as an adult. That happens when you realize the world is not black and white but one big blob of grey.) End of story.

sonofabeach wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

sonofabeach wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

sonofabeach wrote:My family went out to Cracker Barrel the other day for dinner.
Both my uncle and my dad were wearing ball caps and I thought of this thread but there was a big dead bass hanging on the wall right next to us so I figure they get a pass

Did the bass sing?

it sang the national anthem and the stuffed raccoon did not even put his hand over heart

That's it!!! I'm writing a complaint letter to Cracker Barrel's corporate office!!

SPEW!

LMFAO!

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!

I'll sign that letter!

Oh, and PS-I've been in uniform and standing at attention for eternity in the hot Texas sun while waiting for the last embers to die down in flag disposal ceremonies and lots of other things...and I'll still sign....even as I plant the standard I carried for months...hee, hee, hee!

ph4ever wrote:

sonofabeach wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

sonofabeach wrote:My family went out to Cracker Barrel the other day for dinner.
Both my uncle and my dad were wearing ball caps and I thought of this thread but there was a big dead bass hanging on the wall right next to us so I figure they get a pass

Did the bass sing?

it sang the national anthem and the stuffed raccoon did not even put his hand over heart

That's it!!! I'm writing a complaint letter to Cracker Barrel's corporate office!!

That made me laugh so f'n hard!!!

jedivet wrote:I don't often post on threads like this (or many threads at all here, as I am lurker extraordinaire), but...

I was raised in a military family and grew up loving all things military/patriotic, etc. My brother and sister never quite caught the bug like I did, and I don't remember my mother or my father being strict about things like this, but I very much was.

I knew exactly when to stand, which hats to remove and when (I'm a girl, so for me it's not all the time - Kentucky Derby hats, for example, to not come off ladies heads), when to put my hand over my heart and when not to, etc.

I never minded when all the cars had to stop at COB (that's "close of business" for you non-regs) every day for The National Anthem to be played over every speaker on base. I liked that the pingers (training recruits in the Air Force) stopped their marches and saluted for it, too.

I knew how to properly dispose of a flag and how to hang one.

I was very stringent in these things. In fact, one might say I was a bit of a dick. No one likes a know-it-all, and I was one.

I used to pass a business regularly when I made long treks through West Texas that flew the most tattered American flag you've ever seen out front. Once, I was on the phone with my father, a veteran of two wars and thirty-year Air Force man, and I told him about this place. I told him I wanted to stop every time I passed the business and tell them off for flying such a crappy banner.

I thought maybe they just hadn't noticed and they might appreciate knowing about it. My dad responded with this: "Or maybe they'd just tell you to mind your own damn business."

Pretty much. He was right. It's not my business to get into the affairs of others in the regard. I've relaxed a lot as an adult. As they say: Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff.

It doesn't hurt me if someone else doesn't take off their hat or flies an old flag. It doesn't make my father's career any less important.

In fact, it makes it more so.

A movie that I quite enjoy says this: "Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

Agreed. We don't need to go cutting hands or heads off for not placing them "where they belong" during the playing of a song. Any song.

I didn't notice that Jake was wearing a hat. I thought his playing kicked ass. If I had noticed, I wouldn't have cared, because performing musicians are not required to do so (I wouldn't have cared anyway, as I have very much tried to be the opposite of a dick as an adult. That happens when you realize the world is not black and white but one big blob of grey.) End of story.

Interesting (and insightful) comments.
While I was never in the military, I (think) generally know the proper way to hang a flag; ie not in the rain, not at night unless there is a light on it, not if it ripped, etc. When I hang my flag outside my garage, I try to remember to do all the right things but personally, I'd rather have it out flying with some of the rules bent rather than not at all. It makes me feel good to have it out. And, I actually get p*** at myself when I forgot to put it out on big holidays. Interestingly, my next door neighbor was in the Army Corp of Engineers (I think he was ranked pretty high) and he hasn't ever said a word about my flag flying.

And I do love that movie quote too, that was from "The American President" right?

I don't usually see musicians remove cover while playing.

BTW, the hand goes over the heart during the pledge, not the national amthem.

Hockey Mon wrote:

jedivet wrote:I don't often post on threads like this (or many threads at all here, as I am lurker extraordinaire), but...

I was raised in a military family and grew up loving all things military/patriotic, etc. My brother and sister never quite caught the bug like I did, and I don't remember my mother or my father being strict about things like this, but I very much was.

I knew exactly when to stand, which hats to remove and when (I'm a girl, so for me it's not all the time - Kentucky Derby hats, for example, to not come off ladies heads), when to put my hand over my heart and when not to, etc.

I never minded when all the cars had to stop at COB (that's "close of business" for you non-regs) every day for The National Anthem to be played over every speaker on base. I liked that the pingers (training recruits in the Air Force) stopped their marches and saluted for it, too.

I knew how to properly dispose of a flag and how to hang one.

I was very stringent in these things. In fact, one might say I was a bit of a dick. No one likes a know-it-all, and I was one.

I used to pass a business regularly when I made long treks through West Texas that flew the most tattered American flag you've ever seen out front. Once, I was on the phone with my father, a veteran of two wars and thirty-year Air Force man, and I told him about this place. I told him I wanted to stop every time I passed the business and tell them off for flying such a crappy banner.

I thought maybe they just hadn't noticed and they might appreciate knowing about it. My dad responded with this: "Or maybe they'd just tell you to mind your own damn business."

Pretty much. He was right. It's not my business to get into the affairs of others in the regard. I've relaxed a lot as an adult. As they say: Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff.

It doesn't hurt me if someone else doesn't take off their hat or flies an old flag. It doesn't make my father's career any less important.

In fact, it makes it more so.

A movie that I quite enjoy says this: "Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

Agreed. We don't need to go cutting hands or heads off for not placing them "where they belong" during the playing of a song. Any song.

I didn't notice that Jake was wearing a hat. I thought his playing kicked ass. If I had noticed, I wouldn't have cared, because performing musicians are not required to do so (I wouldn't have cared anyway, as I have very much tried to be the opposite of a dick as an adult. That happens when you realize the world is not black and white but one big blob of grey.) End of story.

Interesting (and insightful) comments.
While I was never in the military, I (think) generally know the proper way to hang a flag; ie not in the rain, not at night unless there is a light on it, not if it ripped, etc. When I hang my flag outside my garage, I try to remember to do all the right things but personally, I'd rather have it out flying with some of the rules bent rather than not at all. It makes me feel good to have it out. And, I actually get p*** at myself when I forgot to put it out on big holidays. Interestingly, my next door neighbor was in the Army Corp of Engineers (I think he was ranked pretty high) and he hasn't ever said a word about my flag flying.

And I do love that movie quote too, that was from "The American President" right?

I had a friend whose husband was a sheriff’s deputy. I’ve seen him stop at businesses that were flying a worn tattered flag, walk in and ask to speak to a owner/manager. He’d flash his badge and tell them they were flying the flag inappropriately. He’d tell them what was wrong and tell them that he couldn’t do anything legally to force them to correct it but as a veteran he would appreciate their making the correction. He also had the addresses of the area’s different VFW posts on a sheet of paper that he would give to them. He wasn’t rude or mean but he obviously did get his point across as I’ve seen businesses that he visited change their flag.

ph4ever wrote:

Hockey Mon wrote:

jedivet wrote:I don't often post on threads like this (or many threads at all here, as I am lurker extraordinaire), but...

I was raised in a military family and grew up loving all things military/patriotic, etc. My brother and sister never quite caught the bug like I did, and I don't remember my mother or my father being strict about things like this, but I very much was.

I knew exactly when to stand, which hats to remove and when (I'm a girl, so for me it's not all the time - Kentucky Derby hats, for example, to not come off ladies heads), when to put my hand over my heart and when not to, etc.

I never minded when all the cars had to stop at COB (that's "close of business" for you non-regs) every day for The National Anthem to be played over every speaker on base. I liked that the pingers (training recruits in the Air Force) stopped their marches and saluted for it, too.

I knew how to properly dispose of a flag and how to hang one.

I was very stringent in these things. In fact, one might say I was a bit of a dick. No one likes a know-it-all, and I was one.

I used to pass a business regularly when I made long treks through West Texas that flew the most tattered American flag you've ever seen out front. Once, I was on the phone with my father, a veteran of two wars and thirty-year Air Force man, and I told him about this place. I told him I wanted to stop every time I passed the business and tell them off for flying such a crappy banner.

I thought maybe they just hadn't noticed and they might appreciate knowing about it. My dad responded with this: "Or maybe they'd just tell you to mind your own damn business."

Pretty much. He was right. It's not my business to get into the affairs of others in the regard. I've relaxed a lot as an adult. As they say: Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff.

It doesn't hurt me if someone else doesn't take off their hat or flies an old flag. It doesn't make my father's career any less important.

In fact, it makes it more so.

A movie that I quite enjoy says this: "Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

Agreed. We don't need to go cutting hands or heads off for not placing them "where they belong" during the playing of a song. Any song.

I didn't notice that Jake was wearing a hat. I thought his playing kicked ass. If I had noticed, I wouldn't have cared, because performing musicians are not required to do so (I wouldn't have cared anyway, as I have very much tried to be the opposite of a dick as an adult. That happens when you realize the world is not black and white but one big blob of grey.) End of story.

Interesting (and insightful) comments.
While I was never in the military, I (think) generally know the proper way to hang a flag; ie not in the rain, not at night unless there is a light on it, not if it ripped, etc. When I hang my flag outside my garage, I try to remember to do all the right things but personally, I'd rather have it out flying with some of the rules bent rather than not at all. It makes me feel good to have it out. And, I actually get p*** at myself when I forgot to put it out on big holidays. Interestingly, my next door neighbor was in the Army Corp of Engineers (I think he was ranked pretty high) and he hasn't ever said a word about my flag flying.

And I do love that movie quote too, that was from "The American President" right?

I had a friend whose husband was a sheriff’s deputy. I’ve seen him stop at businesses that were flying a worn tattered flag, walk in and ask to speak to a owner/manager. He’d flash his badge and tell them they were flying the flag inappropriately. He’d tell them what was wrong and tell them that he couldn’t do anything legally to force them to correct it but as a veteran he would appreciate their making the correction. He also had the addresses of the area’s different VFW posts on a sheet of paper that he would give to them. He wasn’t rude or mean but he obviously did get his point across as I’ve seen businesses that he visited change their flag.

Please don't send him to my house in Virginia.

Hockey Mon wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

Hockey Mon wrote:

jedivet wrote:I don't often post on threads like this (or many threads at all here, as I am lurker extraordinaire), but...

I was raised in a military family and grew up loving all things military/patriotic, etc. My brother and sister never quite caught the bug like I did, and I don't remember my mother or my father being strict about things like this, but I very much was.

I knew exactly when to stand, which hats to remove and when (I'm a girl, so for me it's not all the time - Kentucky Derby hats, for example, to not come off ladies heads), when to put my hand over my heart and when not to, etc.

I never minded when all the cars had to stop at COB (that's "close of business" for you non-regs) every day for The National Anthem to be played over every speaker on base. I liked that the pingers (training recruits in the Air Force) stopped their marches and saluted for it, too.

I knew how to properly dispose of a flag and how to hang one.

I was very stringent in these things. In fact, one might say I was a bit of a dick. No one likes a know-it-all, and I was one.

I used to pass a business regularly when I made long treks through West Texas that flew the most tattered American flag you've ever seen out front. Once, I was on the phone with my father, a veteran of two wars and thirty-year Air Force man, and I told him about this place. I told him I wanted to stop every time I passed the business and tell them off for flying such a crappy banner.

I thought maybe they just hadn't noticed and they might appreciate knowing about it. My dad responded with this: "Or maybe they'd just tell you to mind your own damn business."

Pretty much. He was right. It's not my business to get into the affairs of others in the regard. I've relaxed a lot as an adult. As they say: Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff.

It doesn't hurt me if someone else doesn't take off their hat or flies an old flag. It doesn't make my father's career any less important.

In fact, it makes it more so.

A movie that I quite enjoy says this: "Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

Agreed. We don't need to go cutting hands or heads off for not placing them "where they belong" during the playing of a song. Any song.

I didn't notice that Jake was wearing a hat. I thought his playing kicked ass. If I had noticed, I wouldn't have cared, because performing musicians are not required to do so (I wouldn't have cared anyway, as I have very much tried to be the opposite of a dick as an adult. That happens when you realize the world is not black and white but one big blob of grey.) End of story.

Interesting (and insightful) comments.
While I was never in the military, I (think) generally know the proper way to hang a flag; ie not in the rain, not at night unless there is a light on it, not if it ripped, etc. When I hang my flag outside my garage, I try to remember to do all the right things but personally, I'd rather have it out flying with some of the rules bent rather than not at all. It makes me feel good to have it out. And, I actually get p*** at myself when I forgot to put it out on big holidays. Interestingly, my next door neighbor was in the Army Corp of Engineers (I think he was ranked pretty high) and he hasn't ever said a word about my flag flying.

And I do love that movie quote too, that was from "The American President" right?

I had a friend whose husband was a sheriff’s deputy. I’ve seen him stop at businesses that were flying a worn tattered flag, walk in and ask to speak to a owner/manager. He’d flash his badge and tell them they were flying the flag inappropriately. He’d tell them what was wrong and tell them that he couldn’t do anything legally to force them to correct it but as a veteran he would appreciate their making the correction. He also had the addresses of the area’s different VFW posts on a sheet of paper that he would give to them. He wasn’t rude or mean but he obviously did get his point across as I’ve seen businesses that he visited change their flag.

Please don't send him to my house in Virginia.

I never saw him stop at a house - it wouldn't surprise me if he did though. I have some neighbors I've almost stopped at their house. Their flag is affixed to their fence, it's tattered, it stays out 24/7 and drags the ground.

palmettopirate wrote:I don't usually see musicians remove cover while playing.

BTW, the hand goes over the heart during the pledge, not the national amthem.

As I posted awhile back, I was taught that too back in the late 60's/early 70s...but according to all the links I've read that is no longer true. The Flag code now says the hand goes over the heart on the anthem too, which makes sense to me since oftentimes the anthem is played without the pledge.

See, even our most contentious threads can be informative.

"See, even our most contentious threads can be informative."

Bingo.

ph4ever wrote:

Hockey Mon wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

Hockey Mon wrote:

jedivet wrote:I don't often post on threads like this (or many threads at all here, as I am lurker extraordinaire), but...

I was raised in a military family and grew up loving all things military/patriotic, etc. My brother and sister never quite caught the bug like I did, and I don't remember my mother or my father being strict about things like this, but I very much was.

I knew exactly when to stand, which hats to remove and when (I'm a girl, so for me it's not all the time - Kentucky Derby hats, for example, to not come off ladies heads), when to put my hand over my heart and when not to, etc.

I never minded when all the cars had to stop at COB (that's "close of business" for you non-regs) every day for The National Anthem to be played over every speaker on base. I liked that the pingers (training recruits in the Air Force) stopped their marches and saluted for it, too.

I knew how to properly dispose of a flag and how to hang one.

I was very stringent in these things. In fact, one might say I was a bit of a dick. No one likes a know-it-all, and I was one.

I used to pass a business regularly when I made long treks through West Texas that flew the most tattered American flag you've ever seen out front. Once, I was on the phone with my father, a veteran of two wars and thirty-year Air Force man, and I told him about this place. I told him I wanted to stop every time I passed the business and tell them off for flying such a crappy banner.

I thought maybe they just hadn't noticed and they might appreciate knowing about it. My dad responded with this: "Or maybe they'd just tell you to mind your own damn business."

Pretty much. He was right. It's not my business to get into the affairs of others in the regard. I've relaxed a lot as an adult. As they say: Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff.

It doesn't hurt me if someone else doesn't take off their hat or flies an old flag. It doesn't make my father's career any less important.

In fact, it makes it more so.

A movie that I quite enjoy says this: "Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

Agreed. We don't need to go cutting hands or heads off for not placing them "where they belong" during the playing of a song. Any song.

I didn't notice that Jake was wearing a hat. I thought his playing kicked ass. If I had noticed, I wouldn't have cared, because performing musicians are not required to do so (I wouldn't have cared anyway, as I have very much tried to be the opposite of a dick as an adult. That happens when you realize the world is not black and white but one big blob of grey.) End of story.

Interesting (and insightful) comments.
While I was never in the military, I (think) generally know the proper way to hang a flag; ie not in the rain, not at night unless there is a light on it, not if it ripped, etc. When I hang my flag outside my garage, I try to remember to do all the right things but personally, I'd rather have it out flying with some of the rules bent rather than not at all. It makes me feel good to have it out. And, I actually get p*** at myself when I forgot to put it out on big holidays. Interestingly, my next door neighbor was in the Army Corp of Engineers (I think he was ranked pretty high) and he hasn't ever said a word about my flag flying.

And I do love that movie quote too, that was from "The American President" right?

I had a friend whose husband was a sheriff’s deputy. I’ve seen him stop at businesses that were flying a worn tattered flag, walk in and ask to speak to a owner/manager. He’d flash his badge and tell them they were flying the flag inappropriately. He’d tell them what was wrong and tell them that he couldn’t do anything legally to force them to correct it but as a veteran he would appreciate their making the correction. He also had the addresses of the area’s different VFW posts on a sheet of paper that he would give to them. He wasn’t rude or mean but he obviously did get his point across as I’ve seen businesses that he visited change their flag.

Please don't send him to my house in Virginia.

I never saw him stop at a house - it wouldn't surprise me if he did though. I have some neighbors I've almost stopped at their house. Their flag is affixed to their fence, it's tattered, it stays out 24/7 and drags the ground.

Yeah, that's not right, on all 4 points. I can't remember where I learned my flag knowledge; I defintely learned some of it in Cub/Boy Scouts. I'm attempting to pass it on to my kids...

Hockey Mon wrote:

ph4ever wrote:.....their flag is affixed to their fence, it's tattered, it stays out 24/7 and drags the ground.

Yeah, that's not right, on all 4 points. I can't remember where I learned my flag knowledge; I defintely learned some of it in Cub/Boy Scouts. I'm attempting to pass it on to my kids...

While it should more properly be flying from a staff, I think I can give 'em a pass on hanging it on a fence (depending of course on how it's hung).

USC 36:10 § 175. Position and manner of display
(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.

The rest of it — absolutely not.

As for telling people/businesses that their flag is worn, torn, faded, or otherwise in need of replacement, I've found that if you take the time to mention it to them in a non-confrontational manner very few folks will get upset.

-"BB"-

This article may be of interest to some about how to properly retire the Flag. I know such ceremonial retirements can be quite touching to some.
http://www.military.com/independence-da ... irforce.nl

Bicycle Bill wrote:

Hockey Mon wrote:

ph4ever wrote:.....their flag is affixed to their fence, it's tattered, it stays out 24/7 and drags the ground.

Yeah, that's not right, on all 4 points. I can't remember where I learned my flag knowledge; I defintely learned some of it in Cub/Boy Scouts. I'm attempting to pass it on to my kids...

While it should more properly be flying from a staff, I think I can give 'em a pass on hanging it on a fence (depending of course on how it's hung).

USC 36:10 § 175. Position and manner of display
(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.

The rest of it — absolutely not.

As for telling people/businesses that their flag is worn, torn, faded, or otherwise in need of replacement, I've found that if you take the time to mention it to them in a non-confrontational manner very few folks will get upset.

-"BB"-

True.

Hockey Mon wrote:

Bicycle Bill wrote:

Hockey Mon wrote:

ph4ever wrote:.....their flag is affixed to their fence, it's tattered, it stays out 24/7 and drags the ground.

Yeah, that's not right, on all 4 points. I can't remember where I learned my flag knowledge; I defintely learned some of it in Cub/Boy Scouts. I'm attempting to pass it on to my kids...

While it should more properly be flying from a staff, I think I can give 'em a pass on hanging it on a fence (depending of course on how it's hung).

USC 36:10 § 175. Position and manner of display
(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.

The rest of it — absolutely not.

As for telling people/businesses that their flag is worn, torn, faded, or otherwise in need of replacement, I've found that if you take the time to mention it to them in a non-confrontational manner very few folks will get upset.

-"BB"-

True.

While I would normally agree, in this instance I just don't get a good feeling about the people that live there. I get the feeling from the looks of their house, the dogs, the cars in the front, back and side yards plus the people I've seen that I might not be met with the greatest attitude even if I were super sweet to them and even brought them a new flag and a holder to affix to the side of their home. If I'm not mistaken the flag pole is just affixed to the fence with bailing wire or something similar. I could be completely wrong about those people but I'm really not going to try to find out. Don's lived in our home for 20+ years and I don't think he even knows their name.

I learned a bit about flag etiquette in 4th and 5th grade, as I had been selected to "Flag Duty." It was the Maryland flag in 4th grade, and the U.S. flag in the 5th. This included raising in the morning, lowering in the afternoon, proper folding technique, and half-mast rules. This sparked an interest, and I've always paid close attention since. My elders always had great respect for the flag and nation (after all, the flag is a representation of the nation).

An interesting story of late: A few months ago, my mother and 6 year old daughter were coming through town, and noticed that our local newspaper office was flying the Maryland flag upside down (a somewhat common mistake given the design of the flag, but an upside down flag is a sign of 1 or 2 things; distress or disrespect). Well, my mom used this as an example to teach my daughter, and explained the proper disposition, etc. Mom also called the newspaper when she got home, and gently told them about the error. The flag was corrected the next day. Fast-forward to this past week, my 6 year old daughter was able to point out that the same flag was upside down again. This time, mom pulled into the lot, got my kid out, and went into the office to let them know. There is a message in this; if a 6 year old child can be told one time about proper flag display, and retain it, then so can the rest of us.

baadbobby wrote:I learned a bit about flag etiquette in 4th and 5th grade, as I had been selected to "Flag Duty." It was the Maryland flag in 4th grade, and the U.S. flag in the 5th. This included raising in the morning, lowering in the afternoon, proper folding technique, and half-mast rules. This sparked an interest, and I've always paid close attention since. My elders always had great respect for the flag and nation (after all, the flag is a representation of the nation).

An interesting story of late: A few months ago, my mother and 6 year old daughter were coming through town, and noticed that our local newspaper office was flying the Maryland flag upside down (a somewhat common mistake given the design of the flag, but an upside down flag is a sign of 1 or 2 things; distress or disrespect). Well, my mom used this as an example to teach my daughter, and explained the proper disposition, etc. Mom also called the newspaper when she got home, and gently told them about the error. The flag was corrected the next day. Fast-forward to this past week, my 6 year old daughter was able to point out that the same flag was upside down again. This time, mom pulled into the lot, got my kid out, and went into the office to let them know. There is a message in this; if a 6 year old child can be told one time about proper flag display, and retain it, then so can the rest of us.

That's awesome!!!! Kudo's to your daughter!!!

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jedivet wrote:
A movie that I quite enjoy says this: "Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

Interesting (and insightful) comments.
While I was never in the military, I (think) generally know the proper way to hang a flag; ie not in the rain, not at night unless there is a light on it, not if it ripped, etc. When I hang my flag outside my garage, I try to remember to do all the right things but personally, I'd rather have it out flying with some of the rules bent rather than not at all. It makes me feel good to have it out. And, I actually get p*** at myself when I forgot to put it out on big holidays. Interestingly, my next door neighbor was in the Army Corp of Engineers (I think he was ranked pretty high) and he hasn't ever said a word about my flag flying.

And I do love that movie quote too, that was from "The American President" right?

Yep, American President.