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bgsherris wrote:

looking4OPH wrote:

bgsherris wrote:I don't expect you all to understand, and I expect many of you will simply take the "more tickets for me" point of view to my comments, well so be it...I've had my say.

I get what you are saying. Funny how I've heard a number of people (online and in person) hold on to that whole "if I ever need a teleprompter....." comment. Big deal. Now, if he starts lipsynching 100% of the songs, I may reconsider buying tickets.

Personally, I think the longer that you have seen Jimmy perform, the stronger the desire to remember him as he was, when he was young, vital and kicking ass onstage. By comparison to his 1994 Fruitcakes tour (some fifteen years ago), the show I saw Wednesday night was a homogenized, Vegas-style parody. We're sorta getting the "fat Elvis" version of Jimmy Buffett, if you know what I mean.

Look, if Jimmy is delivering the show you want to see, I'm totally cool with that.

However, the way I see it, somewhere in the past ten years, that show has disappeared into history.

labatt1876 wrote:

bgsherris wrote:

frozen bird wrote:As far as Jimmy's mike on Weather...it was on, just not at the level it normally is when he's singing. Just listen to the recording of the song in the concert trading thread...you can clearly hear Jimmy singing the first line. By the way, I was pretty close to the front too and I didn't see Mac tap him on the shoulder during Weather, he just let Jimmy go. It was on the intro to Summerzcool that Mac corrected Jimmy.

As for Jimmy losing his "faculties," who isn't? I certainly am not as sharp at 43 as I was at 23 and won't be as sharp at 63 as I am now. However, I don't care how old you are, there are none of us here who can do what Jimmy does. We all know the words to all the songs, but you stand up in front of 15,000 people and try to sing them perfectly each time. Sure he gets paid big bucks to do it, but everybody, no matter how rich or famous, makes a mistake sometime. Jimmy's job is to deliver us from our everyday lives, to drag us out of middle class America and plant our asses in Margaritaville for a few hours. Being a parrothead isn't just about the two hours you spend listening to Jimmy sing, it's about the outlook on life you choose to undertake, the friends you make while doing it, and the ability to keep the prospect of a warm, sunny beach in the forefront of your mind. As long as Jimmy wants to keep doing what he's doing, I'll be there to support him. Jimmy has always been a man on a mission, and on Wednesday night, it was mission accomplished.

FrozenBird...you have made your point very well...however, in doing so, I do not believe you addressed (or perhaps, understood) the point I was making. Maybe you just don't want to...which is cool with me.

I understand what you are trying to say, basically that he isnt the same now as he was 30 years ago. Now, I am only 33 years old, and have been going to concerts for the past 8-10 years. While they may not as good as 30 years ago, they are great to me, and seemingly to 99% of the crowd that is there.

If you reason for not going to see Jimmy anyway, is because he started introducing Five O'Clock Somewhere, the song before he was supposed to play it, I have to say that is a very nitpicking reason not to go to see Jimmy anymore. And especially nitpicky when you are talking about someone 'losing thier faculties". The guy made a mistake, big freakin deal

ScarletB wrote:
Seriously, it's not like he was DROOLING or anything!

labatt1876 wrote:

bgsherris wrote:

frozen bird wrote:As far as Jimmy's mike on Weather...it was on, just not at the level it normally is when he's singing. Just listen to the recording of the song in the concert trading thread...you can clearly hear Jimmy singing the first line. By the way, I was pretty close to the front too and I didn't see Mac tap him on the shoulder during Weather, he just let Jimmy go. It was on the intro to Summerzcool that Mac corrected Jimmy.

As for Jimmy losing his "faculties," who isn't? I certainly am not as sharp at 43 as I was at 23 and won't be as sharp at 63 as I am now. However, I don't care how old you are, there are none of us here who can do what Jimmy does. We all know the words to all the songs, but you stand up in front of 15,000 people and try to sing them perfectly each time. Sure he gets paid big bucks to do it, but everybody, no matter how rich or famous, makes a mistake sometime. Jimmy's job is to deliver us from our everyday lives, to drag us out of middle class America and plant our asses in Margaritaville for a few hours. Being a parrothead isn't just about the two hours you spend listening to Jimmy sing, it's about the outlook on life you choose to undertake, the friends you make while doing it, and the ability to keep the prospect of a warm, sunny beach in the forefront of your mind. As long as Jimmy wants to keep doing what he's doing, I'll be there to support him. Jimmy has always been a man on a mission, and on Wednesday night, it was mission accomplished.

FrozenBird...you have made your point very well...however, in doing so, I do not believe you addressed (or perhaps, understood) the point I was making. Maybe you just don't want to...which is cool with me.

I understand what you are trying to say, basically that he isnt the same now as he was 30 years ago. Now, I am only 33 years old, and have been going to concerts for the past 8-10 years. While they may not as good as 30 years ago, they are great to me, and seemingly to 99% of the crowd that is there.

If you reason for not going to see Jimmy anyway, is because he started introducing Five O'Clock Somewhere, the song before he was supposed to play it, I have to say that is a very nitpicking reason not to go to see Jimmy anymore. And especially nitpicky when you are talking about someone 'losing thier faculties". The guy made a mistake, big freakin deal

changingchannels wrote:

bgsherris wrote:

looking4OPH wrote:

bgsherris wrote:I don't expect you all to understand, and I expect many of you will simply take the "more tickets for me" point of view to my comments, well so be it...I've had my say.

I get what you are saying. Funny how I've heard a number of people (online and in person) hold on to that whole "if I ever need a teleprompter....." comment. Big deal. Now, if he starts lipsynching 100% of the songs, I may reconsider buying tickets.

Personally, I think the longer that you have seen Jimmy perform, the stronger the desire to remember him as he was, when he was young, vital and kicking ass onstage. By comparison to his 1994 Fruitcakes tour (some fifteen years ago), the show I saw Wednesday night was a homogenized, Vegas-style parody. We're sorta getting the "fat Elvis" version of Jimmy Buffett, if you know what I mean.

Look, if Jimmy is delivering the show you want to see, I'm totally cool with that.

However, the way I see it, somewhere in the past ten years, that show has disappeared into history.

sadly there is truth in that and that goes for any performer or athlete. some things have always been there like "senior moments" i.e., coming in early, late, or singing the wrong verse at the wrong time. things like that didnt and still dont bother me because its a "live show". teleprompter or not he is in front of thousands of fans and im sure its easy to get lost at times.unless he wants to be a robot and just read off the teleprompter every night and have all his in between songs banter pre-written. what bothers me is that he doesn't play enough of his own great music and depends on the same songs from each album.dont get me wrong i still love the shows but i do look back at old setlists from the 90s and cant help but wish i saw him when he played more of his own music. if it ever gets to a point where i don't enjoy going to the shows i'll stop.

bgsherris wrote:

frozen bird wrote:As far as Jimmy's mike on Weather...it was on, just not at the level it normally is when he's singing. Just listen to the recording of the song in the concert trading thread...you can clearly hear Jimmy singing the first line. By the way, I was pretty close to the front too and I didn't see Mac tap him on the shoulder during Weather, he just let Jimmy go. It was on the intro to Summerzcool that Mac corrected Jimmy.

As for Jimmy losing his "faculties," who isn't? I certainly am not as sharp at 43 as I was at 23 and won't be as sharp at 63 as I am now. However, I don't care how old you are, there are none of us here who can do what Jimmy does. We all know the words to all the songs, but you stand up in front of 15,000 people and try to sing them perfectly each time. Sure he gets paid big bucks to do it, but everybody, no matter how rich or famous, makes a mistake sometime. Jimmy's job is to deliver us from our everyday lives, to drag us out of middle class America and plant our asses in Margaritaville for a few hours. Being a parrothead isn't just about the two hours you spend listening to Jimmy sing, it's about the outlook on life you choose to undertake, the friends you make while doing it, and the ability to keep the prospect of a warm, sunny beach in the forefront of your mind. As long as Jimmy wants to keep doing what he's doing, I'll be there to support him. Jimmy has always been a man on a mission, and on Wednesday night, it was mission accomplished.

FrozenBird...you have made your point very well...however, in doing so, I do not believe you addressed (or perhaps, understood) the point I was making. Maybe you just don't want to...which is cool with me.

moog wrote:I'll take Jones Beach over Camden.

1 Not worried about getting mugged
2 Not parking at a warehouse if you get there after 2 pm
3 Smells better
4 Less drunk jackoffs
5 Easy to exit.
6 Not being faced down by locals selling bad shirts. You can get that with the legit crap inside.


Overall, Jones Beach is less stressfull for me. Well, the Belt Parkway is the only exception to this. Those drivers create some colorful fatal accidents.

Rasppy and I sat under the upper tier, so there was a wall behind us. No one to scream sit down. Plus what rain?

The seats are tight, so it's kind of hard to move standing when the white man's overbite dance is on all sides of you. I usually get up and do the moog dance for a few songs. I don't do that as much as I did 18 years ago. If someone is standing in front of me, I just say to myself they are having a good time. No big deal. I either stand or just sit back.

Snowparrot wrote:I think some of you are just mean and rude about people sitting.
People who are sitting are not blocking YOUR view, the way the six-and-a-half foot guy and his short date, with their heads together half the concert, in combination with the seven-foot guy next to him, were blocking mine. When people sit, they are more equal in size.
I would like to see the STAGE, and I hardly even get to see the screens! And that's when I'm standing, all five-two-and a-bit of me. Just bobbing and weaving around other people. Dancing when I can...

I have had no choice about where I'm sitting when I use TM, and this time I had club tickets, and they were pretty far back, too. If I could be closer to the stage, I would be. But there would probably be someone bigger in front of me

And one more thing. Not everyone CAN stand up for the whole concert. Some places those floors are so steeply raked you get cramps in your feet, toes and calves. And some of us have very sore feet or gimpy knees, while others are just plain exhausted from a day in the sun, standing and walking and drinking. (Sometimes it's all three, and no, I'm not giving up the PH life just because I'm getting older!)

I love Jimmy, his music and his shows, but I am not going to stand up all the time just to please the holier-than-thou crowd!

Snowparrot wrote:I think some of you are just mean and rude about people sitting.
People who are sitting are not blocking YOUR view, the way the six-and-a-half foot guy and his short date, with their heads together half the concert, in combination with the seven-foot guy next to him, were blocking mine. When people sit, they are more equal in size.
I would like to see the STAGE, and I hardly even get to see the screens! And that's when I'm standing, all five-two-and a-bit of me. Just bobbing and weaving around other people. Dancing when I can...

I have had no choice about where I'm sitting when I use TM, and this time I had club tickets, and they were pretty far back, too. If I could be closer to the stage, I would be. But there would probably be someone bigger in front of me

And one more thing. Not everyone CAN stand up for the whole concert. Some places those floors are so steeply raked you get cramps in your feet, toes and calves. And some of us have very sore feet or gimpy knees, while others are just plain exhausted from a day in the sun, standing and walking and drinking. (Sometimes it's all three, and no, I'm not giving up the PH life just because I'm getting older!)

I love Jimmy, his music and his shows, but I am not going to stand up all the time just to please the holier-than-thou crowd!

bgsherris wrote:

looking4OPH wrote:

bgsherris wrote:I don't expect you all to understand, and I expect many of you will simply take the "more tickets for me" point of view to my comments, well so be it...I've had my say.

I get what you are saying. Funny how I've heard a number of people (online and in person) hold on to that whole "if I ever need a teleprompter....." comment. Big deal. Now, if he starts lipsynching 100% of the songs, I may reconsider buying tickets.

Personally, I think the longer that you have seen Jimmy perform, the stronger the desire to remember him as he was, when he was young, vital and kicking ass onstage. By comparison to his 1994 Fruitcakes tour (some fifteen years ago), the show I saw Wednesday night was a homogenized, Vegas-style parody. We're sorta getting the "fat Elvis" version of Jimmy Buffett, if you know what I mean.

Look, if Jimmy is delivering the show you want to see, I'm totally cool with that.

However, the way I see it, somewhere in the past ten years, that show has disappeared into history.

Pleasin & Teasin wrote:Sure Mr Buffett uses a teleprompter....and more power to him!! Would you rather he didnt?

If he'd sing some of his wonderful neglected catalog of old songs, I wouldnt care if he came out and sang from sheet music ..... and an occasional mistake just makes him more endearing!! Sheesh!!!!

Pleasin & Teasin wrote:

Snowparrot wrote:I think some of you are just mean and rude about people sitting.
People who are sitting are not blocking YOUR view, the way the six-and-a-half foot guy and his short date, with their heads together half the concert, in combination with the seven-foot guy next to him, were blocking mine. When people sit, they are more equal in size.
I would like to see the STAGE, and I hardly even get to see the screens! And that's when I'm standing, all five-two-and a-bit of me. Just bobbing and weaving around other people. Dancing when I can...

I have had no choice about where I'm sitting when I use TM, and this time I had club tickets, and they were pretty far back, too. If I could be closer to the stage, I would be. But there would probably be someone bigger in front of me

And one more thing. Not everyone CAN stand up for the whole concert. Some places those floors are so steeply raked you get cramps in your feet, toes and calves. And some of us have very sore feet or gimpy knees, while others are just plain exhausted from a day in the sun, standing and walking and drinking. (Sometimes it's all three, and no, I'm not giving up the PH life just because I'm getting older!)

I love Jimmy, his music and his shows, but I am not going to stand up all the time just to please the holier-than-thou crowd!

ditto!!

conched wrote:Jimmy is still kickin ass at 62. And the wonder of the Coral Reefer Band and Reeferettes always amazes me.

conched wrote:Jimmy is still kickin ass at 62. And the wonder of the Coral Reefer Band and Reeferettes always amazes me.

I've got to add:
bg, I'm sorry that the shows have lost their magic for you. That must be a sad feeling to come to the realization that YOU have lost "those special feelings" you used to have. I hope I never feel that way, but who knows why it happens that way for some?

conched wrote:Jimmy is still kickin ass at 62. And the wonder of the Coral Reefer Band and Reeferettes always amazes me.