President to speak to the nation's kids

[UAHparrothead]

And that is the way it goes, as long as I say stuff you like, it's "Oh he's the cool preacher" and as soon as I get a little critical its "You're a minister you can't say stuff like that, you're suppose to be positive." My job is to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ and sometimes it isn't easy to preach and sometimes it isn't easy to hear and I preach to myself more than I do to anyone else. I work everyday to practice those things I preach to the fullest.

[popcornjack]

#1 I don't think anyone really believes that you didn't have to slightest notion that people would not discuss the issue at hand. Let's be real here. I am offering a positive conversation, sometimes you have to afflict the comfortable as well as comfort the afflicted. #2 And you really don't know me and #3 just because I am a pastor does not mean that I do not have the right to speak my opinion on political or other matters. I am coming from what I know and that is all. When I see something that I disagree with I will speak out against it, honestly and respectfully. #4 Perhaps you should take a little bit of your own advice and "LIGHTEN THE f**** UP!!!!!!!!"

#1: to quote everything I said before posting the link:

Now I know that this might seem like an attempt to start a divisive thread, but I actually think this article can be used to bring both democrats and republicans together. Let's all join in and count the number of typographical and grammatical errors.

In an article about public education

I think the first line acknowledges that i realize there is a possibility of this being a political discussion. However, if you read the rest of it, you can see I'm trying to be light hearted. Apparently, that's not something everyone can do.

#2 You're right, I don't know you. But I know you well enough to know you didn't read my original post where this was a humorous attempt at pointing out typographical and grammatical errors in an article about education.

#3 If it weren't for the ability of ministers to speak their mind and to offer their opinion in sermons, a lot of social and political progress would not have been made. Don't believe me? Ask my brother. Or my mother. Both ministers.

#4 Don't know mammabear or what she said, but I'm not the one who used the words "contemptible" and "pitiful" to describe her, so I'm pretty confident I'm a lot lighter than you are. (Oh, and before you chastise me, I'm not going to read what she said. If people don't want to pay attention to the spirit of why I started the thread, I can't control that.)

[UAHparrothead]

I didn't use those words to describe her, but the statement that she made, I don't know her from Jack or Popcorn Jack for that matter, but I feel that contemptible and pitiful accurate describe my opinion of her words.

BTW, if you wanted people to focus on the article, you might have titled the thread "Look at the mistakes in this article on education" or something similar and not "President to speak to nation's kids" which speaks right to the heart of the controversy. I don't always ready every post in a thread, good or bad I don't. I was responding to a statement by Mammabear and tattedgator. It is as simple as that. I see that you didn't feel the need to call them out personally and publicly.

[popcornjack]

And that is the way it goes, as long as I say stuff you like, it's "Oh he's the cool preacher" and as soon as I get a little critical its "You're a minister you can't say stuff like that, you're suppose to be positive." My job is to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ and sometimes it isn't easy to preach and sometimes it isn't easy to hear and I preach to myself more than I do to anyone else. I work everyday to practice those things I preach to the fullest.

I will fully admit I have read your posts in other threads over the year and thought "this guy's pretty cool" having spent a lot of time around ministers who aren't. And I know what your job is and I know it's a lot tougher than most jobs even though to a lot of people they say "How hard can it be? He only works one hour a week." and if you want to have a theological discussion about anything and everything, I welcome it. However, my point of this thread was to show all the errors in the article, as my initial post says. I'm sorry so many people couldn't take 2 minutes to check their opinions at the door and do that and instead it became political. Yes, I knew that would be a risk, but I guess I just had some faith in people.

That's what I'm supposed to do, right?

[popcornjack]

I didn't use those words to describe her, but the statement that she made, I don't know her from Jack or Popcorn Jack for that matter, but I feel that contemptible and pitiful accurate describe my opinion of her words.

BTW, if you wanted people to focus on the article, you might have titled the thread "Look at the mistakes in this article on education" or something similar and not "President to speak to nation's kids" which speaks right to the heart of the controversy. I don't always ready every post in a thread, good or bad I don't. I was responding to a statement by Mammabear and tattedgator. It is as simple as that. I see that you didn't feel the need to call them out personally and publicly.

You're right and you're right. I titled the thread based on what the article was about, and part of the reason i did is because I knew it would draw attention. And as for calling out mammabear or tattedgator, dumb luck dictated that i logged on tonight and your post brought this thread up to the latest posts, and I scrolled down to see the last post and it was yours.

[UAHparrothead]

And that is the way it goes, as long as I say stuff you like, it's "Oh he's the cool preacher" and as soon as I get a little critical its "You're a minister you can't say stuff like that, you're suppose to be positive." My job is to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ and sometimes it isn't easy to preach and sometimes it isn't easy to hear and I preach to myself more than I do to anyone else. I work everyday to practice those things I preach to the fullest.

I will fully admit I have read your posts in other threads over the year and thought "this guy's pretty cool" having spent a lot of time around ministers who aren't. And I know what your job is and I know it's a lot tougher than most jobs even though to a lot of people they say "How hard can it be? He only works one hour a week." and if you want to have a theological discussion about anything and everything, I welcome it. However, my point of this thread was to show all the errors in the article, as my initial post says. I'm sorry so many people couldn't take 2 minutes to check their opinions at the door and do that and instead it became political. Yes, I knew that would be a risk, but I guess I just had some faith in people.

That's what I'm supposed to do, right?

I guess if the thread was presented in a different way or if the article was on a different topic. Maybe. BuffettNews is a cross-section of the US, mostly i know there are those from outside the US, and the mood of America is hotter than a two dollar pistol. I guess I exacerbated the situation instead of calming it, but I don't know that is always the job of the preacher. I feel threatened when someone when I feel someone using my occupation as a weapon against me, I don't know if that was your intention, but it is how I took it good or bad. I take my calling very seriously and I try to maintain both professional and personal integrity at all times.

[oceanstate]

Well....this stopped being fun pretty quickly, didn't it?

[ph4ever]

my butt hurts

[SkoolGrl<3]

The speech has been delivered. I had to settle for the PDF transcript on CNN's site. This will be part of the dinner time conversation for me and the keets tonight. I look forward to talking with them!

[SkoolGrl<3]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20090903/ ... ws_pl888_1
Let's all join in and count the number of typographical and grammatical errors.

In an article about public education.

This was part of the fun for me and the keets yesterday. They go to public school too, but at least the President had his story about what his mom did to help him with his education. Now I can tell them, "He had it worse! I don't wake you up at 4:30..." next time they nag about me asking them to do extra work for the sake of enriching their education.

[SharkOnLand]

my butt hurts

Don't go down the slide that's been in the sun all day without pants on, silly.

[NEO]

The speech has been delivered. I had to settle for the PDF transcript on CNN's site. This will be part of the dinner time conversation for me and the keets tonight. I look forward to talking with them!

As it should be with Every child .. But unfortunately Most Parent(s) do not give a rats @ss!

[spartan1979]

Did anyone's head explode?

[Sanjuro's tequila]

Did anyone's head explode?

I've been to scared to stick my head out the window and check myself, but I believe civilization as we know it came to an end. "Cats and Dogs, living together... MASS HYSTERIA!!"

[Skibo]

No head exploding here, just LOLing at history repeating itself. My o my, how quickly we forget.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 94347.html

The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began.

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable.

[spartan1979]

No head exploding here, just LOLing at history repeating itself. My o my, how quickly we forget.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 94347.html

The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began.

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable.

All of that may be true, but was there all the talk of taking kids out of school to avoid hearing the leader of our nation?

[tattedgator]

The strong survive and the weak fail. There will be casualties, but it's better for the long term prospects of the nation.

Unless of course it is you or one of yours that is a casualty.
The problem is not Republican or Democrat or liberal or conservative, it is this individual ideology. This "as long as me and mine are ok then to hell with everyone else" way of thinking.

Mamabear I could talk about so many things that find contemptible and pitiful with your statement, but you won't hear it anyway so I won't waste my time or yours.

Really? Could you?? Or could you pay attention to the reason I posted the link in the first place, the hilarity about an article about education that contained so many errors? Or, even, as a minister, you could try to learn and grow positive conversation? Oh, but you're right, no one will hear anyway so why waste your time...

I don't think anyone really believes that you didn't have to slightest notion that people would not discuss the issue at hand. Let's be real here. I am offering a positive conversation, sometimes you have to afflict the comfortable as well as comfort the afflicted. And you really don't know me and just because I am a pastor does not mean that I do not have the right to speak my opinion on political or other matters. I am coming from what I know and that is all. When I see something that I disagree with I will speak out against it, honestly and respectfully. Perhaps you should take a little bit of your own advice and "LIGHTEN THE f**** UP!!!!!!!!"

Really? Reading my singular post which summarizes my ultimate belief in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, not "screw everyone but me and mine" and you immediately attack me with accusations that I'm not capable of listening to or understanding an alternate viewpoint. . Then you claim to hold a positive conversation.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. And you happen to be a pastor, you say?

Your immediate defense and intolerance without any thought out rebuttal is laughable and pathetic. I hope you don't use that elementary "I won't even dignify that with a response" style of discussion in your sermon. "Well, uhh, the Bible is 100% fact because the Bible SAYS SO! So take that!"

And I thought there would be rational adults here.

[Conolulu]

my butt hurts

Why?

[UAHparrothead]

The strong survive and the weak fail. There will be casualties, but it's better for the long term prospects of the nation.

Unless of course it is you or one of yours that is a casualty.
The problem is not Republican or Democrat or liberal or conservative, it is this individual ideology. This "as long as me and mine are ok then to hell with everyone else" way of thinking.

Mamabear I could talk about so many things that find contemptible and pitiful with your statement, but you won't hear it anyway so I won't waste my time or yours.

Really? Could you?? Or could you pay attention to the reason I posted the link in the first place, the hilarity about an article about education that contained so many errors? Or, even, as a minister, you could try to learn and grow positive conversation? Oh, but you're right, no one will hear anyway so why waste your time...

I don't think anyone really believes that you didn't have to slightest notion that people would not discuss the issue at hand. Let's be real here. I am offering a positive conversation, sometimes you have to afflict the comfortable as well as comfort the afflicted. And you really don't know me and just because I am a pastor does not mean that I do not have the right to speak my opinion on political or other matters. I am coming from what I know and that is all. When I see something that I disagree with I will speak out against it, honestly and respectfully. Perhaps you should take a little bit of your own advice and "LIGHTEN THE f**** UP!!!!!!!!"

Really? Reading my singular post which summarizes my ultimate belief in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, not "screw everyone but me and mine" and you immediately attack me with accusations that I'm not capable of listening to or understanding an alternate viewpoint. . Then you claim to hold a positive conversation.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. And you happen to be a pastor, you say?

Your immediate defense and intolerance without any thought out rebuttal is laughable and pathetic. I hope you don't use that elementary "I won't even dignify that with a response" style of discussion in your sermon. "Well, uhh, the Bible is 100% fact because the Bible SAYS SO! So take that!"

And I thought there would be rational adults here.

1) I call them like I see them. If you don't like the way people react to your words perhaps you should rephrase them. You stated "The strong survive and the weak fail. There will be casualties, but it's better for the long term prospects of the nation." That to me sounds like exactly what I said, natural selection right?. You talk about personal responsibility, how about the responsibility we have for one another? Again, perhaps you should rethink your words. It was not an attack it was a rebuttal.

2) You call me a hypocrite and then turn around and attack me with the same hypocrisy, if not worse. You've been on this board for exactly one day. Maybe you should try to get to know some people before making rash attacks on them.

[UAHparrothead]

Again I ask, is there anyone else who is attacked because of their occupation?