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flipflopgirl wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:very sad!!!! things like this will/ could put a crack down on tailgating!!!....i wonder if ther were there for the show...or if they were there to drink.....GW has a problem with that, according to a security guard we were talking to....kids come in just before the concert starts and starts raiding coolers.....also that night someone stole a rv out of the lot!!...what i don't get...you drink in the lot all day , then you have to keep drinking in the venue,,,thats my sober up time....but i usually stop a couple of hours before the show starts!!...don't need a DUI!!!

there was a case like this a few years ago...a guy leaving Giants stadium after tailgating all day and going to the game, killed a little girl. i have NOT noticed ANY crack down on the tailgating at Giants Stadium.

i wonder if he was drinking inside also!!!....usually lots open 3-4 hours before the game (Buffett is about 8-10 hours before)!!!!...and a game last what 3 hours....plus of course getting out of the lot....Foxboro could be a 11/2 so thats 41/2 hours to sober up.....so i blame the Stadium for seving him!!...plus it's hard to compare the 2 tailgates......totally different crowds!!!

Bicycle Bill wrote:

ejr wrote:How terribly sad. And we can all be responsible, but, unfortunately there is little we can do about the other cars on the road.

Wonder if there will be any official comment from Buffett's camp. I am wondering if a really aggressive lawyer could try to make a case that he is promoting the lifestyle and that this fan was simply living the life. Crazier things have happened in court.

I'm guessing that there would be no comment or acknowledgment of any kind. A smart lawyer (and Jimmy's got those, I bet!) would advise a client to keep his mouth shut; anything someone says can be taken out of context, twisted, and used against them.

It is a shame, though. As flipflopgirl said, so many Parrotheads do so much good over the year, but it's the rowdy, obnoxious few that defines the species for those who just don't get it. Maybe we need to start blowing our own horns about the purposes of some of our parties — like last weekend at Alpine Valley; the pre-concert party at Two Seasons Bowl (which featured Matt Wahl, the Cedar Island Band, and the Boat Drunks with Nadirah, Doyle, and Mr. Utley from the Reefers) raised money to benefit abused children in the Walworth County area.

-"BB"-

What I wonder is if this was a good enough reason to dub all parrotheads as drunks and possibly try to stop having Buffett play at any more places because of this. Don't get me wrong, it is the responsibility of the person to make sure he or she is under control, especially if they are going to drink and if they are going to be driving. My take is if you KNOW you're going to be the driver, you either: 1) don't drink alcohol; or 2) if you do drink alcohol, limit your intake to make sure you are sober enough to drive or if you are unsure, I am probably going to assume if you talk with security of the venue, they may let you leave the car there as long as you pick it up the next day and have them call you a cab.

What I object to is the characterization that this guy was a Parrot Head. I've seen all kinds of people use Buffett concerts as an excuse for otherwise inexcusable behavior, but attending a Buffett concert does not neccessarialy make you a Parrot Head. Our club rents buses to transport us to and from Philly, and when we go to Atlantic City we get rooms.

JimChunk wrote:What I object to is the characterization that this guy was a Parrot Head. I've seen all kinds of people use Buffett concerts as an excuse for otherwise inexcusable behavior, but attending a Buffett concert does not neccessarialy make you a Parrot Head. Our club rents buses to transport us to and from Philly, and when we go to Atlantic City we get rooms.

I think the general public has no idea what it really is about, but perception is reality.......guess it's up to us to keep educating them....keeping the good things out there as much as we can.....because damn, we have done a lot of good sh*t over the years.....I can't imagine the amount of money that has been raised for amazing causes through PH clubs and just merry bands of parrotheads that become inspired by something.

aeroparrot wrote:

Bicycle Bill wrote:

ejr wrote:How terribly sad. And we can all be responsible, but, unfortunately there is little we can do about the other cars on the road.

Wonder if there will be any official comment from Buffett's camp. I am wondering if a really aggressive lawyer could try to make a case that he is promoting the lifestyle and that this fan was simply living the life. Crazier things have happened in court.

I'm guessing that there would be no comment or acknowledgment of any kind. A smart lawyer (and Jimmy's got those, I bet!) would advise a client to keep his mouth shut; anything someone says can be taken out of context, twisted, and used against them.

It is a shame, though. As flipflopgirl said, so many Parrotheads do so much good over the year, but it's the rowdy, obnoxious few that defines the species for those who just don't get it. Maybe we need to start blowing our own horns about the purposes of some of our parties — like last weekend at Alpine Valley; the pre-concert party at Two Seasons Bowl (which featured Matt Wahl, the Cedar Island Band, and the Boat Drunks with Nadirah, Doyle, and Mr. Utley from the Reefers) raised money to benefit abused children in the Walworth County area.

-"BB"-

What I wonder is if this was a good enough reason to dub all parrotheads as drunks and possibly try to stop having Buffett play at any more places because of this. Don't get me wrong, it is the responsibility of the person to make sure he or she is under control, especially if they are going to drink and if they are going to be driving. My take is if you KNOW you're going to be the driver, you either: 1) don't drink alcohol; or 2) if you do drink alcohol, limit your intake to make sure you are sober enough to drive or if you are unsure, I am probably going to assume if you talk with security of the venue, they may let you leave the car there as long as you pick it up the next day and have them call you a cab.

As they say...it only takes one!!!

There was certainly a heavy police presence last night leaving Nissan. Between venue and hotel we saw 4 cars pulled over.

TommyBahama wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

Bicycle Bill wrote:

ejr wrote:How terribly sad. And we can all be responsible, but, unfortunately there is little we can do about the other cars on the road.

Wonder if there will be any official comment from Buffett's camp. I am wondering if a really aggressive lawyer could try to make a case that he is promoting the lifestyle and that this fan was simply living the life. Crazier things have happened in court.

I'm guessing that there would be no comment or acknowledgment of any kind. A smart lawyer (and Jimmy's got those, I bet!) would advise a client to keep his mouth shut; anything someone says can be taken out of context, twisted, and used against them.

It is a shame, though. As flipflopgirl said, so many Parrotheads do so much good over the year, but it's the rowdy, obnoxious few that defines the species for those who just don't get it. Maybe we need to start blowing our own horns about the purposes of some of our parties — like last weekend at Alpine Valley; the pre-concert party at Two Seasons Bowl (which featured Matt Wahl, the Cedar Island Band, and the Boat Drunks with Nadirah, Doyle, and Mr. Utley from the Reefers) raised money to benefit abused children in the Walworth County area.

-"BB"-

What I wonder is if this was a good enough reason to dub all parrotheads as drunks and possibly try to stop having Buffett play at any more places because of this. Don't get me wrong, it is the responsibility of the person to make sure he or she is under control, especially if they are going to drink and if they are going to be driving. My take is if you KNOW you're going to be the driver, you either: 1) don't drink alcohol; or 2) if you do drink alcohol, limit your intake to make sure you are sober enough to drive or if you are unsure, I am probably going to assume if you talk with security of the venue, they may let you leave the car there as long as you pick it up the next day and have them call you a cab.

As they say...it only takes one!!!

And that's the unfortunate truth.

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:There was certainly a heavy police presence last night leaving Nissan. Between venue and hotel we saw 4 cars pulled over.

Not only police, but venue security during the tailgate too. I hadn't been here to Nissan in 6 years but I don't remember seeing so many security people patrolling the lot the other 3 times I was here.

LIPH wrote:

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:There was certainly a heavy police presence last night leaving Nissan. Between venue and hotel we saw 4 cars pulled over.

Not only police, but venue security during the tailgate too. I hadn't been here to Nissan in 6 years but I don't remember seeing so many security people patrolling the lot the other 3 times I was here.

Yup...that was definitely the case. I've never seen so much security and police presence there before. One of the cars we saw pulled over on the way back to the hotel was clearly and DUI situation, and clearly someone who had been at the show.

A word of caution....if you have one or more drink per hour during tailgating it will most likely take more than a 2 1/2 hour concert to "sober" up. It takes one hour to metabolize one drink -- more or less depending on the size of the individual. Also, females metabolize alcohol slower. One "drink" = 12 oz. beer, 5 oz wine, 1 1/2 oz of liquor in drink-which most people make with more than that. Therefore, even if you ONLY had one drink an hour for let's say 6 hours of tailgating, when you leave you are very likely too impaired to drive and your BAC will be above .08. Even though you "feel" fine.

It's sooo sad -two innocent lives were destroyed, not to mention the lives of the people they left behind. It's a horrible lesson to learn the hard way and that man will have to live with that fact the rest of his life - but he is alive and the are not.

blackjack wrote:We stop drinking as we head into the show and then cook something after the show to allow us to sober up and traffic to clear out. That gives us a good three hours. Of course the cops are always there forcing us to get on the road and clear the lots.

I'm right there with you.

Fun does not have to equal drunk.

Yes, we drink at the shows. But we socialize and we are always careful to be safe.
Like BlackJack, my drinking is DONE at 6:30, when the gates open. I'm usually not completely wasted to begin with, but even if I am...I stop at 6:30. Then I go inside, dance & sweat, return to the car, drink NA beverages, eat some more, and hang out until traffic dies down. About 1:00, we leave the lot. At this point, I've had 6-7 hours to come down, I've added food and exercise to the mix, and am always OK to drive.
(For the record, I'm over 200 pounds. If you do the math (yes, there are charts and tables for this!!!), for me to be LEGALLY drunk after this period of time (.08), I would have to have gotten myself up to .14 or higher. For someone MY size to do so, I would have to have had, in the 5 hour period that I was drinking, approximately 13 drinks. I never drink that much, and I'm typically eating foods that help slow the absorption of the alcohol.) Know your limits!!! I do!!!


I heard a story this year that p*** me off.
Guy realize that he drank too much at a concert. He decided it would be prudent to NOT drive. So he took a nap in his car. Security came, told him he had to get his car out of the lot. He explained how dangerous he felt it would be...they didn't care, and they MADE him drive drunk. Within 1/4 mile of the gate, he got a ticket for DUI.

momsrule27 wrote:A word of caution....if you have one or more drink per hour during tailgating it will most likely take more than a 2 1/2 hour concert to "sober" up. It takes one hour to metabolize one drink -- more or less depending on the size of the individual. Also, females metabolize alcohol slower. One "drink" = 12 oz. beer, 5 oz wine, 1 1/2 oz of liquor in drink-which most people make with more than that. Therefore, even if you ONLY had one drink an hour for let's say 6 hours of tailgating, when you leave you are very likely too impaired to drive and your BAC will be above .08. Even though you "feel" fine.

It's sooo sad -two innocent lives were destroyed, not to mention the lives of the people they left behind. It's a horrible lesson to learn the hard way and that man will have to live with that fact the rest of his life - but he is alive and the are not.

I'll disagree with you just a little bit there, momsrule. On average, you metabolize one drink (1 drink = 12 oz beer = 5 oz wine = 1¼ oz 80 proof/1 oz 100 proof liquor) so if you drink one drink per hour and your body weight is 150 pounds or more, you will most likely never reach legal intoxication levels (0.08% BAC) in eight hours (six hours of tailgating, plus two hours in the concert w/o drinking). You are right on another point, though; most tailgate and self-pour drinks will contain more than 1½ oz of alcohol, so that does need to be taken into consideration.

As an aside, another common fallacy is that you can 'dilute' alcohol by adding more mix. Huh-uh. An ounce of alcohol is an ounce of alcohol, no matter how much Coke or 7-up you mix with it.

There are any number of online calculators or charts that show approximate alcohol levels based on amount of drinks and elapsed time, and a simple Google search will bring those up for you. In addition, your home state's DMV or DOT may even have such charts in convenient pocket sizes and available to the public.

Keep in mind too that these are just averages: your experiences may vary. In addition, if you are taking any medications this too may alter the effects of alcohol or your ability to metabolize it. And if you think you can barf and that will eliminate the alcohol from your system, think again. Alcohol starts to be absorbed into the body almost as soon as you put it in your mouth, through the linings of your cheeks, your throat, etc. If you drink to the point of vomiting, you may toss the last couple of drinks you had, but your first eight or ten are still there and you're still bombed. On top of it, you've now puked on your shoes as well.

Another thing to remember is that the magical level of 0.08% BAC is considered to be evidence enough, all by itself, of impairment ("legally drunk"). In many states, you can be considered "impaired" (and be charged as such) at half that level if there is additional evidence of impairment, such as improper behavior or bad driving.

Bottom line: be responsible. Make sure at least one person at the tailgate is drinking root beer (rather than draft beer) with his Cheeseburger in Paradise, or his boat drink is a "Not-a-rita".

-"BB"-

Print it. Use it.

http://www.gettips.com/ .......this is a great course to take....i'm certified because i bartend at a theatre....regular shows not usually a issue...but concerts and comedy acts...issues do come up...i've cut off a few people...it's not fun..but has to be done. Whats weird sometimes...i've seen big guys who can't hold there liquor and petite women who seem to be able to drink like fishes and show no effect!!...1 shot has the same effect as a beer and a glass of wine!!...that was something i learned!


this site actually gives you a lot of info too!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content

While I am truly horrified by what happened at Nissan Thursday night, I am equally glad to see something "positive" going on in this thread (the "educational" slant). If only ONE person makes a better decision based on anything they've learned about alcohol consumption, then at least some purpose has been served.

CaptainP wrote:

Print it. Use it.

Is there one for females?

springparrot wrote:Is there one for females?

Interesting note that the article in the printed version of the Washington Post about this incident did not mention anything about Buffett. It just said a guy was driving impaired.

In 2008, someone had a wreck and died after the Kenny Chesney countryfest at Foxboro. This year there were all sorts of new rules about getting in and playing.

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:

springparrot wrote:Is there one for females?

I like the men's one better -I get to have an extra drink!!! Also this is one time when being on the "heavy" side pays off (it's probably the only time )