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Skibo wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

Skibo wrote:I look forward to the day when state sponsored murder is abolished. I'm not defending the criminal, a life sentence without parole is sufficient.

Really?? so he can join a prison gang (if not already a member)
and run drugs and other contraband into Prison
spreading terror into the people who surround other weaker inmates??
making innocent people (family members of the weaker inmates)
run stuff into prison?? or elswhere??


great call

So because this government institution can't protect and rehabilitate it's inmates, it's better to just kill? Not that these types would ever get out, but it would be a lot cheaper just to let them live. I never said this type of person should have visitation rights or access to the general population. It is wrong for anyone (including the government) to take a life. The death penalty has been proven ineffective as a deterrent.

I agree with the taking of ANY INNOCENT life is wrong. I also agree with you the death penalty has proven ineffective as a deterent.
The death penalty by itself, does not work as any deterent.

However, ENFORCEMENT of the death penalty does work and there are no repeat offenders.
Why should anyone that has deserved/recieved conviction of a death sentence, be subject to free health care,free room, free food, and much more than the victims ever had, at taxpayer exspense? Yeah none of any of that is free is it?

Granted our court systems can sometimes be predjudiced and wrong, HOWEVER such as is taking place in Texas with innocent people being cleared with DNA evidence, etc. We do need room for correction of such errors.

The main thing is, those convicted of guilt/found guilty, by a jury of their peers, sentenced to die, and executed, do not repeat any crimes or further harm innocent people. Do they?

Skibo wrote:

ragtopW wrote:

Skibo wrote:I look forward to the day when state sponsored murder is abolished. I'm not defending the criminal, a life sentence without parole is sufficient.

Really?? so he can join a prison gang (if not already a member)
and run drugs and other contraband into Prison
spreading terror into the people who surround other weaker inmates??
making innocent people (family members of the weaker inmates)
run stuff into prison?? or elswhere??


great call

So because this government institution can't protect and rehabilitate it's inmates, it's better to just kill? Not that these types would ever get out, but it would be a lot cheaper just to let them live. I never said this type of person should have visitation rights or access to the general population. It is wrong for anyone (including the government) to take a life. The death penalty has been proven ineffective as a deterrent.

A.
it would be cheaper to dump them IF the people who have had no insite with
gang menbers and hardened convicts would step out of the picture and stop
"mucking up" the process
B. get a grip.. We should not have to pay to Rehabilitate and if you think
any of those guys (or girls) really want to go straight?? you need a reality check
C.. let's talk about the death penalty being a deterrent.
Where do those numbers come from??
also if the death penalty were administered within.. say 2 years of the crime being
committed (yep fast track that case THEN fast track the appeal)
let's see if the opinions (and numbers) don't change..

Really??? the threat of Prison and/ or the Death penalty has stopped me
on at least 3 times in my life from Dumping someone...

Staredge wrote:Time to fire up Ol' Sparky.


Why don't they just do a cutdown??? Dudes gonna be dead anyway.

We got to see Old Sparky at the Texas Prison Museum during the Tacky Texas Tour in 2007!

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/7814


Yup they could have used another method!

I can assure you that if that was MY 14 year old daughter that he raped and murdered,
I would find his vein... or some other way to torture him until he was dead.

Capital punishment is not always the answer, but a 14 year old girl walking home from a football game...

Capital punishment doesn't seem like quite enough for him.

It hurts...


http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/story.asp?s=11159855

ragtopW wrote: It hurts...


http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/story.asp?s=11159855

I oppose the death penalty, but I'm not posting here to debate it.

However I do have a suggestion for those places where the government, apparently acting on the will of the people, has chosen to proceed with state executions.

Make every adult citizen in that jurisdiction subject to a lottery system, wherein if their number comes up, they will be required by law to serve as 'executioner'. If the government (which is us) wants to execute criminals, we should have in place a system to ensure that we all participate.

This will make some folks very happy and others less so. But it would be fair and open and I think an appropriate obligation of adult citizens.

"This is three guys in three years that have had these types of serious problems," said Sweeney, referring to the attempt on Broom and two other executions that were delayed after difficulty finding a suitable vein. "There's a pattern here now in this state."

I wonder if word is out among death row inmates (especially in Ohio)...dehydrate yourself before execution and they'll have a hard time finding a suitable vein. I read another article that said they were requesting the prisoner drink more water, but that they couldn't force him to do so.

Dehydration along with previous intravenous drug use could make locating veins tough.

I'd like to propose that any state which allows commercial air travel to make every adult on a particular flight subject to a lottery system, wherein if their number comes up, they will be required by law to serve as copilot, er, 'first officer.' If the government (which is us) wants to allow commercial air travel, we should have in place a system to ensure that we all participate.

This will make some folks very happy and others less so. but it would be fair and open and I think an appropriate obligation of adult airline passengers.

At least they are sure that he is guilty. Not like Texas..

Elrod wrote:I'd like to propose that any state which allows commercial air travel to make every adult on a particular flight subject to a lottery system, wherein if their number comes up, they will be required by law to serve as copilot, er, 'first officer.' If the government (which is us) wants to allow commercial air travel, we should have in place a system to ensure that we all participate.

This will make some folks very happy and others less so. but it would be fair and open and I think an appropriate obligation of adult airline passengers.

That's comparing apples and oranges, Elrod. It takes no special training to flip a switch on a machine to start an IV pump, or drop cyanide pellets into a tank of HCl, or even (in the case of Gary Gilmore) aim a rifle.

For that matter, 'We the People' are already involved in the execution. I'm sure he was convicted by a jury of his peers, "twelve good men and true" and drawn from the general population, before he was ever strapped onto that gurney.

-"BB"-

Elrod wrote:I'd like to propose that any state which allows commercial air travel to make every adult on a particular flight subject to a lottery system, wherein if their number comes up, they will be required by law to serve as copilot, er, 'first officer.' If the government (which is us) wants to allow commercial air travel, we should have in place a system to ensure that we all participate.

This will make some folks very happy and others less so. but it would be fair and open and I think an appropriate obligation of adult airline passengers.

I was making a serious suggestion.

flyboy55 wrote:I oppose the death penalty, but I'm not posting here to debate it.

However I do have a suggestion for those places where the government, apparently acting on the will of the people, has chosen to proceed with state executions.

Make every adult citizen in that jurisdiction subject to a lottery system, wherein if their number comes up, they will be required by law to serve as 'executioner'. If the government (which is us) wants to execute criminals, we should have in place a system to ensure that we all participate.

This will make some folks very happy and others less so. But it would be fair and open and I think an appropriate obligation of adult citizens.

Better yet.. just sell lotto tix... people who want to do the job can ease the tax burden of the rest of the population

It takes no special training to flip a switch on a machine to start an IV pump, or drop cyanide pellets into a tank of HCl, or even (in the case of Gary Gilmore) aim a rifle.

But it does take special training (and some experience) to start the IV, and that seems to be where they are having problems with this inmate.