Page 3 of 5
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 12:11 am
by Wino you know
dean_siu wrote:I seriously thought those holding resentment would get over it when their wild speculation of a Landshark Stadium show was proven to be nothing but a false rumor.....the fact that anyone would still have this resentment just dumbfounds me.
I'm sorry, Dean. We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm NOT dumfounded. I know how I'd feel if I waited over a year for something that I was looking forward to, and have it cancelled in a day. Different people react to disappointment in different ways.
It's like when my sports team loses a game-I stew about it for 10 minutes then move on.
Others blow it off immediately, while still others carry the hurt and disappointment for quite a while longer. Not a good analogy, I know, but I'm just saying none of us can dictate human feelings.
Whatever disappointment comes my way, at least I know I have the luxury of knowing my dogs love me.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 12:23 am
by dean_siu
Wino you know wrote:dean_siu wrote:I seriously thought those holding resentment would get over it when their wild speculation of a Landshark Stadium show was proven to be nothing but a false rumor.....the fact that anyone would still have this resentment just dumbfounds me.
I'm sorry, Dean. We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm NOT dumfounded. I know how I'd feel if I waited over a year for something that I was looking forward to, and have it cancelled in a day. Different people react to disappointment in different ways.
It's like when my sports team loses a game-I stew about it for 10 minutes then move on.
Others blow it off immediately, while still others carry the hurt and disappointment for quite a while longer. Not a good analogy, I know, but I'm just saying none of us can dictate human feelings.
Whatever disappointment comes my way, at least I know I have the luxury of knowing my dogs love me.
No need to be sorry.....people can always have differing viewpoints.
And I understand hurt and disappointment about the concert dates not happening.....I'm in the group that feels that way.
Resentment is a lot different than disappointment though and those expressing resentment seemed to base it on the rumors of a Landmark Stadium show when the west coast dates didn't happen.
Thats the only thing that dumbfounds me. If I had resentment to someone and the cause of that feeling was proven to a false rumor, I'd get over it.
And I definitely won't disagree with you about the dogs.......a simple lick to the face can cure almost any disappointment.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 12:39 am
by Elrod
Jimmy has not played a full concert at the stadium, but he did appear there for at least one of the home games. The stadium naming rights and his appearance are an effort to sell more beer. If sales do not improve, Landshark Lager will go bye-bye and Jimmy's merchandising machine will have a tough (if not impossible) time negotiating anything favorable with the corporate world in the future. Jimmy also played two private shows for A-B recently, one in Vegas and one in St. Louis. When The Brewery calls, Jimmy does not have a choice, he plays.
The success of Jimmy's merchandising machine is dependent upon the goodwill of his fans. That goodwill deteriorates when he lends his name to poor quality products, misses publication dates and cancels concerts. Some people see a difference between making a flippant remark like "See ya next year" and actually listing a concert date on his website, some don't. I lost track of how many times the release date for
A Salty Piece of Land got pushed back. Many people feel that they can no longer take Jimmy at his word.
How many people do you think bought Margaritaville Tequila or Landshark Lager that have never owned a Buffett CD or attended a concert? They would probably all fit aboard Jimmy's Falcon.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 12:40 am
by Migration Michelle
TraderRick wrote:Dean
You say don't blame Jimmy for the cancellations. OK. Maybe it's Live Nation or the MGM or his managers or the Economy that caused it to fall apart. I'll go with you on that. All I'm saying is at the end of the day someone has to be accountable to the FANS. Remember these are fans who are ticked-off---not Joe Blows off the street. Some have been fans for over 30 years and more. They've spent many thousands of dollars on Buffett tickets & paraphernalia, etc...and equal amounts of hours weaving Bubba into their various lives. All they're asking is that Jimmy show them that they matter. Give them an explanation for this fiasco...and if needed- an apology. Simple.
Actually, I believe Jimmy shows all of us that we all matter. YEAR AFTER YEAR, VENUE AFTER VENUE, he continues to show up and play again and again and again.
The venues change, the songs change, the staff changes...but Jimmy still shows up. He loves his work. He loves his fans. He is very appreciative of his fans and will tell you so if you are ever given the chance to speak with him.
He loves to hear comments about his shows and he makes changes based on what you tell him. He is an incredible entertainer, a very kind person, and a hell of a business man. And his is trying to run a business. I am quite sure that he is not trying to slight a certain group of fans by playing one venue or another.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to please every fan with his setlist and venue choice...just as it would be if you were catering an event. Everyone has different tastes and different requests.
I don't believe he owes any of us an explanation as to why shows were canceled. I was going to two West Coast shows and Orlando and they were all canceled. I had arrangements made for all three shows. I was very disappointed but knew there had to be a logical explanation for it all...and I am fine if I don't know the reason.
I think it is time that we get over this topic...breathe in, breathe out, move on. Stop pointing fingers and blaming Jimmy. Why not be happy for those people who got to attend the small shows? Hopefully, if you don't complain too much, he will play again near your hometown. No wonder he always plays in Tampa!!
Thanks Jimmy!!! And thanks for Rocky Raccoon!!!
And as long as you show up year after year, so will I.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 12:50 am
by TraderRick
dean_siu wrote:
I think many fans are the ones which owe Jimmy an apology. When people consistently said these shows to play a "greed based show" at Landshark Stadium, they were clearly wrong. I'm sorry that Jimmy had to face this slander and just hope it doesn't detour him from continuing to give 100% to his fan base for many years to come.
Geez Dean
You are just the eternal apologist on this thing! It's long since been acknowledged that Landshark Stadium was not the reason for the cancellations. It's agreed- you were right on that. I just think we will continue to see this thing from different perspectives and just leave it at that. I will continue to hold that in this business Jimmy's fan base is his ONLY collateral. And in the end he must be
accountable to them. Especially when his actions have put them in precarious situations as happened here.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 12:52 am
by gingerbreadman
Elrod wrote:Jimmy has not played a full concert at the stadium, but he did appear there for at least one of the home games. The stadium naming rights and his appearance are an effort to sell more beer. If sales do not improve, Landshark Lager will go bye-bye and Jimmy's merchandising machine will have a tough (if not impossible) time negotiating anything favorable with the corporate world in the future. Jimmy also played two private shows for A-B recently, one in Vegas and one in St. Louis. When The Brewery calls, Jimmy does not have a choice, he plays.
The success of Jimmy's merchandising machine is dependent upon the goodwill of his fans. That goodwill deteriorates when he lends his name to poor quality products, misses publication dates and cancels concerts. Some people see a difference between making a flippant remark like "See ya next year" and actually listing a concert date on his website, some don't. I lost track of how many times the release date for
A Salty Piece of Land got pushed back. Many people feel that they can no longer take Jimmy at his word.
How many people do you think bought Margaritaville Tequila or Landshark Lager that have never owned a Buffett CD or attended a concert? They would probably all fit aboard Jimmy's Falcon.
That would be your opinion...
And this web site is called buffettnews.com ...
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 3:09 am
by Dutch Harbor PH
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 6:18 am
by no shoes
Dutch - you have hit the nail on the head!! My sentiments exactly
Margaret and John - I couldn't be more pleased for you xx
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 8:30 am
by RinglingRingling
Just one question, albeit multi-parter here:
a) are they selling tickets for the Bridge Concert via TM, etc.?
b) is the publicity machine cranked for this?
c) if this is like the LI Montessori School benefits, ticket price-wise, we are going to probably going to have to go down the "a true fan would sell a kidney" route.
The drawbacks to the Bridge concert are: other than a blip, it appears this is not really getting a lot of coverage and while BN is good, it is not the "must-read" site, so the news might not be getting out. Jimmy is appearing, he is not headlining, so it really isn't a Buffett concert so much as a supporting-cast appearance and thus not a "try to make good to my fans". If the concert is part of a benefit/fundraiser, I am guessing they are not selling $40 lawn seats, and again, if it is that expensive, it's not a show for the fans unless your definition of "fan" is "folks with enough disposable income to drop $200+ per seat". (and before we hear from Michelle with her usual level of insensitivity re: pricing and ability to pay any price... don't go that way. Not everyone can, not everyone can pick up and go at the last minute, and bragging you can is both gauche and not a statistically-sound sampling of the PHN as a whole).
The Bridge show isn't a concert for the West Coast Fans as a "make good", it's a "I'm here, come with your wallet in hand for a good cause", which is better than "hey, I am in Vegas to fulfill contractual obligations to A-B/Inbev to promote Landshark" thing.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 9:09 am
by dean_siu
RinglingRingling wrote:Just one question, albeit multi-parter here:
a) are they selling tickets for the Bridge Concert via TM, etc.?
b) is the publicity machine cranked for this?
c) if this is like the LI Montessori School benefits, ticket price-wise, we are going to probably going to have to go down the "a true fan would sell a kidney" route.
The drawbacks to the Bridge concert are: other than a blip, it appears this is not really getting a lot of coverage and while BN is good, it is not the "must-read" site, so the news might not be getting out. Jimmy is appearing, he is not headlining, so it really isn't a Buffett concert so much as a supporting-cast appearance and thus not a "try to make good to my fans". If the concert is part of a benefit/fundraiser, I am guessing they are not selling $40 lawn seats, and again, if it is that expensive, it's not a show for the fans unless your definition of "fan" is "folks with enough disposable income to drop $200+ per seat". (and before we hear from Michelle with her usual level of insensitivity re: pricing and ability to pay any price... don't go that way. Not everyone can, not everyone can pick up and go at the last minute, and bragging you can is both gauche and not a statistically-sound sampling of the PHN as a whole).
The Bridge show isn't a concert for the West Coast Fans as a "make good", it's a "I'm here, come with your wallet in hand for a good cause", which is better than "hey, I am in Vegas to fulfill contractual obligations to A-B/Inbev to promote Landshark" thing.
Tickets were available to the public for this show and quite affordable. Reserved seats were $150 and $75. Lawn seats were only $39.50 with four packs only $99.
This benefit doesn't really need a large publicity machine. Its been around for years and has been a huge success every year its taken place. I'm guessing thats why you don't see a tremendous marketing effort.....they prefer to save money on those efforts and maximize the dollars raised for the school.
I agree that its not a full scale Buffett show...but when the spring shows showed that the west coast was not going to support Buffett shows this year as strong as they have in the past, Jimmy could have avoided the west coast altogether in October. Since he was traveling to Vegas already and had planned to do a show on October 24th, he decided to fill that now open date with an appearance at the benefit.
It might not be exactly what all parrotheads what....but I find it hard to be critical of him making an effort to play the west coast and assist in raising funds for the Bridge School
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 9:17 am
by sunseeker
RinglingRingling wrote:Just one question, albeit multi-parter here:
a) are they selling tickets for the Bridge Concert via TM, etc.?
b) is the publicity machine cranked for this?
c) if this is like the LI Montessori School benefits, ticket price-wise, we are going to probably going to have to go down the "a true fan would sell a kidney" route.
The drawbacks to the Bridge concert are: other than a blip, it appears this is not really getting a lot of coverage and while BN is good, it is not the "must-read" site, so the news might not be getting out. Jimmy is appearing, he is not headlining, so it really isn't a Buffett concert so much as a supporting-cast appearance and thus not a "try to make good to my fans". If the concert is part of a benefit/fundraiser, I am guessing they are not selling $40 lawn seats, and again, if it is that expensive, it's not a show for the fans unless your definition of "fan" is "folks with enough disposable income to drop $200+ per seat". (and before we hear from Michelle with her usual level of insensitivity re: pricing and ability to pay any price... don't go that way. Not everyone can, not everyone can pick up and go at the last minute, and bragging you can is both gauche and not a statistically-sound sampling of the PHN as a whole).
The Bridge show isn't a concert for the West Coast Fans as a "make good", it's a "I'm here, come with your wallet in hand for a good cause", which is better than "hey, I am in Vegas to fulfill contractual obligations to A-B/Inbev to promote Landshark" thing.
R2 - this was a slam on Michelle and completely uncalled for. You (and everyone else )would be wise not to take this down a "personal" road at this time. The mods are not tolerating anymore personal attacks at all!
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 9:19 am
by Yorkshire Parrothead
no shoes wrote:
Dutch - you have hit the nail on the head!! My sentiments exactly
Margaret and John - I couldn't be more pleased for you xx
Thanks so much Dutchy and Roxanne for your kind words. When we were at the concert John said it is a pity we did not have Dutch Harbor's fishing rod to drop down from the balcony!!!
When we were in Vegas I felt so sorry for this tramp or homeless person that I gave him some money two days in a row to buy some food (or most likely drink) and said to John that because of my good deed we will have some luck. It came true and we got into the concert. The week before we came away John got 5 numbers on the lottery which paid for our holiday and I said that is because we paid for flights and accommodation to see Jimmy and then it was cancelled.
I just hope that I have not started all this agro and bickering. We have forgiven Jimmy or his management or the MGM for the cancelled shows and I just hope that next year he will play in Vegas so we can go again. We met some wonderful people from the US and just thanks to everyone that made our holiday so enjoyable - too many names to mention in case I miss a name out.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 9:26 am
by Bicycle Bill
Re: the Bridge School benefit concert
After reading Jim Harrington's review of the concert
(as posted by beachmusic elsewhere on this site), I'll stick my neck out and say that this is the kind of show I'd have perhaps gone to but only if I were already in the area — worthwhile cause or not. I definitely would not have made a special trip to the Left Coast to see it.
-"BB"-
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 10:17 am
by Tiki Bar
Yorkshire Parrothead wrote:no shoes wrote:
Dutch - you have hit the nail on the head!! My sentiments exactly
Margaret and John - I couldn't be more pleased for you xx
Thanks so much Dutchy and Roxanne for your kind words. When we were at the concert John said it is a pity we did not have Dutch Harbor's fishing rod to drop down from the balcony!!!
When we were in Vegas I felt so sorry for this tramp or homeless person that I gave him some money two days in a row to buy some food (or most likely drink) and said to John that because of my good deed we will have some luck. It came true and we got into the concert. The week before we came away John got 5 numbers on the lottery which paid for our holiday and I said that is because we paid for flights and accommodation to see Jimmy and then it was cancelled.
I just hope that I have not started all this agro and bickering. We have forgiven Jimmy or his management or the MGM for the cancelled shows and I just hope that next year he will play in Vegas so we can go again. We met some wonderful people from the US and just thanks to everyone that made our holiday so enjoyable - too many names to mention in case I miss a name out.
Well said, Dutch! That is the real story here!
Mega congratulations Margaret, and thank you for the tidbits that you shared. I'm so very happy for you and John, for everything that worked out the way it did. The magic of KARMA, at it's finest!
I hope you've been down to visit your friend, to see the painting of Jimmy and Nadirah that you won last year.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 11:15 am
by STL PARROTHEAD
WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Margaret and John!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's awesome!!!!
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 11:23 am
by ph4ever
gingerbreadman wrote:Elrod wrote:Jimmy has not played a full concert at the stadium, but he did appear there for at least one of the home games. The stadium naming rights and his appearance are an effort to sell more beer. If sales do not improve, Landshark Lager will go bye-bye and Jimmy's merchandising machine will have a tough (if not impossible) time negotiating anything favorable with the corporate world in the future. Jimmy also played two private shows for A-B recently, one in Vegas and one in St. Louis. When The Brewery calls, Jimmy does not have a choice, he plays.
The success of Jimmy's merchandising machine is dependent upon the goodwill of his fans. That goodwill deteriorates when he lends his name to poor quality products, misses publication dates and cancels concerts. Some people see a difference between making a flippant remark like "See ya next year" and actually listing a concert date on his website, some don't. I lost track of how many times the release date for
A Salty Piece of Land got pushed back. Many people feel that they can no longer take Jimmy at his word.
How many people do you think bought Margaritaville Tequila or Landshark Lager that have never owned a Buffett CD or attended a concert? They would probably all fit aboard Jimmy's Falcon.
That would be your opinion...
And this web site is called buffettnews.com ...
Damn Elrod don't you know where you're at?? Geez it's not as if you're married to a mod, huh? Now return that remote and towels and get that cell phone out of the cooler!!!
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 11:44 am
by Yorkshire Parrothead
STL PARROTHEAD wrote:WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Margaret and John!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's awesome!!!!
Hiya Vicky - Wasn't it great. I am still on a high but suffering from jet lag today. Nice chatting to you on the phone when walking down the Strip. Hope we can meet up next year in Vegas.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 11:51 am
by STL PARROTHEAD
Yorkshire Parrothead wrote:STL PARROTHEAD wrote:WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Margaret and John!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's awesome!!!!
Hiya Vicky - Wasn't it great. I am still on a high but suffering from jet lag today. Nice chatting to you on the phone when walking down the Strip. Hope we can meet up next year in Vegas.
Oh, we'll meet up somewhere next year!! We simply have to!
It was great talking to you on the phone..... made me want to be there with ya!
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 2:49 pm
by ParrotHeadInThe Making
Tiki Bar wrote:Yorkshire Parrothead wrote:no shoes wrote:
Dutch - you have hit the nail on the head!! My sentiments exactly
Margaret and John - I couldn't be more pleased for you xx
margaret and John--a very big congratulations to you both, and this definitely could not have happened to two nicer people. It was very nice to meet you in Las Vegas last year, and I hope to meet up with you again next year in Las Vegas. Good things really do happen to good people if you hang around long enough. .
Thanks so much Dutchy and Roxanne for your kind words. When we were at the concert John said it is a pity we did not have Dutch Harbor's fishing rod to drop down from the balcony!!!
When we were in Vegas I felt so sorry for this tramp or homeless person that I gave him some money two days in a row to buy some food (or most likely drink) and said to John that because of my good deed we will have some luck. It came true and we got into the concert. The week before we came away John got 5 numbers on the lottery which paid for our holiday and I said that is because we paid for flights and accommodation to see Jimmy and then it was cancelled.
I just hope that I have not started all this agro and bickering. We have forgiven Jimmy or his management or the MGM for the cancelled shows and I just hope that next year he will play in Vegas so we can go again. We met some wonderful people from the US and just thanks to everyone that made our holiday so enjoyable - too many names to mention in case I miss a name out.
Well said, Dutch! That is the real story here!
Mega congratulations Margaret, and thank you for the tidbits that you shared. I'm so very happy for you and John, for everything that worked out the way it did. The magic of KARMA, at it's finest!
I hope you've been down to visit your friend, to see the painting of Jimmy and Nadirah that you won last year.
Re: Jimmy does private concert in Vegas in Oct.
Posted: October 28, 2009 3:35 pm
by TraderRick
Yorkshire Parrothead wrote:
Thanks so much Dutchy and Roxanne for your kind words. When we were at the concert John said it is a pity we did not have Dutch Harbor's fishing rod to drop down from the balcony!!!
When we were in Vegas I felt so sorry for this tramp or homeless person that I gave him some money two days in a row to buy some food (or most likely drink) and said to John that because of my good deed we will have some luck. It came true and we got into the concert. The week before we came away John got 5 numbers on the lottery which paid for our holiday and I said that is because we paid for flights and accommodation to see Jimmy and then it was cancelled.
I just hope that I have not started all this agro and bickering. We have forgiven Jimmy or his management or the MGM for the cancelled shows and I just hope that next year he will play in Vegas so we can go again. We met some wonderful people from the US and just thanks to everyone that made our holiday so enjoyable - too many names to mention in case I miss a name out.
Thanks again Margaret & John for your incredible story!
You are quintessential Parrotheads- your attitudes, your goodness and your giving nature. Hope to meet you someday. We all can learn much from you. Cheers!