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Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Ya know what kills me? All of you assume that Elin is innocent in this whole mess. Why? How do you know she hasn't been screwing around as well? It's pretty clear that Tiger has protected her in regards to the events leading up to the accident, who's to say that he still isn't protecting her for the sake of the kids? I've always been struck by how cold and aloof she appears at Tiger's events, so I question whether she'd be easy to live with. And I remember one tournament Tiger won (I believe prior to the leg issues) when he was holding Sam and it came time to accept his trophy and check and he went to give Sam back to Elin and Sam wanted nothing to do with her Mom. This went on for several minutes and you could tell it was making Tiger uncomfortable. And let's see, she left Sweden as a supermodel to become a nanny for a successful golfer, you don't think there were any ulterior motives in that move?

By no means am I excusing Tiger's behavior and choices. But I refuse to automatically assume that Elin is as pure as snow in this whole mess. Talk about assuming facts not in evidence.

Then there are these "other women". They all knew Tiger was married. If he was coming on to them they could have said, "I'm flattered, but you're married so no thanks". But no..."he's f'ing Tiger Woods..I don't care!" They had two goals: to bring down Tiger Woods and make a whole lot of money in the process. How come no one is condemning THEM?

Would you show the same outrage and opinions if this was about Jimmy and not Tiger? Something to think about....

I agree and posted earlier that Tiger was quoted as saying that since the wedding that their sex life had disappeared. Sadly if a guy isn't getting it at home, if it's important to him, he'll get it elsewhere. Every wife should know that. Do I excuse Tiger? No, but having been married and in a few relationships before, I can relate. Every woman should be taught that if she wants her man to be faithful, then keep him happy......the same goes for the husbands.
Sadly, there are no winners in this, unless you count bank accounts and lawyer fees.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Would you show the same outrage and opinions if this was about Jimmy and not Tiger? Something to think about....

If it were Jimmy I have no doubt there are people who would break out their Margaritaville brand knee pads and try to get in on the action. Anything to get some JJJ.

C-Dawg wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Ya know what kills me? All of you assume that Elin is innocent in this whole mess. Why? How do you know she hasn't been screwing around as well? It's pretty clear that Tiger has protected her in regards to the events leading up to the accident, who's to say that he still isn't protecting her for the sake of the kids? I've always been struck by how cold and aloof she appears at Tiger's events, so I question whether she'd be easy to live with. And I remember one tournament Tiger won (I believe prior to the leg issues) when he was holding Sam and it came time to accept his trophy and check and he went to give Sam back to Elin and Sam wanted nothing to do with her Mom. This went on for several minutes and you could tell it was making Tiger uncomfortable. And let's see, she left Sweden as a supermodel to become a nanny for a successful golfer, you don't think there were any ulterior motives in that move?

By no means am I excusing Tiger's behavior and choices. But I refuse to automatically assume that Elin is as pure as snow in this whole mess. Talk about assuming facts not in evidence.

Then there are these "other women". They all knew Tiger was married. If he was coming on to them they could have said, "I'm flattered, but you're married so no thanks". But no..."he's f'ing Tiger Woods..I don't care!" They had two goals: to bring down Tiger Woods and make a whole lot of money in the process. How come no one is condemning THEM?

Would you show the same outrage and opinions if this was about Jimmy and not Tiger? Something to think about....

I agree and posted earlier that Tiger was quoted as saying that since the wedding that their sex life had disappeared. Sadly if a guy isn't getting it at home, if it's important to him, he'll get it elsewhere. Every wife should know that. Do I excuse Tiger? No, but having been married and in a few relationships before, I can relate. Every woman should be taught that if she wants her man to be faithful, then keep him happy......the same goes for the husbands.
Sadly, there are no winners in this, unless you count bank accounts and lawyer fees.

I agree with Kathy. You don't know what goes on in people's relationships, and what they have agreed is acceptable or not. I do think, however, it is pretty uncouth for a public figure to be publicly discussing his sex life (or lack of it)--don't crave privacy and then talk about your sex life in a public setting!

LIPH wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Would you show the same outrage and opinions if this was about Jimmy and not Tiger? Something to think about....

If it were Jimmy I have no doubt there are people who would break out their Margaritaville brand knee pads and try to get in on the action. Anything to get some JJJ.

Wait...there are M'ville kneepads?

I have no personal knowledge of such items, I'm merely speculating. Extrapolating from comments I've seen, as it were.

And in a magical coincidence, I have my iPod in my iHome unit and it's on shuffle. The song that just came on is Booty Call by G. Love & Special Sauce from when they opened for Jimmy in Philly last year. I'm just sayin'.

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:And let's see, she left Sweden as a supermodel to become a nanny for a successful golfer, you don't think there were any ulterior motives in that move?

Model? Yes Supermodel? Not even close.
She and her sister were au pairs for Jesper Parnevik, a Swedish golfer. Ulterior motive? I'm guessing when you're 20 that'd seem like a pretty sweet gig. Or maybe her psychic told her that ultimately it would end up with an introduction to Tiger Woods.

C-Dawg wrote:I agree and posted earlier that Tiger was quoted as saying that since the wedding that their sex life had disappeared.

Excuse #1 for every cheating husband. They were married 5 years and had 2 kids during that time. Anybody that believes that their sex life will be unchanged during 2 pregnancies and the rigors of caring for infants is living in a fantasy world.

I think that the discussion about this has been lively here because the recent revelations about Tiger Woods' infidelities are at odds with what most people liked to believe about him. Although he hasn't addressed these revelations in detail, he has offered up a blanket apology about his failings as a husband and father. The emails and text messages that are now being made public speak for themselves. The man has been quite sexually active outside of his marriage. People wouldn't normally defend this kind of thing, but because it is Tiger Woods lots of folks are giving him a free pass.

They offer up a weak defense of Tiger's serial transgressions by repeating the unsubstantiated report of a friend of one of his mistresses that Tiger wasn't getting laid at home. Aside from the self-serving nature of this kind of gossip, so what? The sex isn't frequent enough or kinky enough at home so you start sleeping around? The other theme intended to deflect responsibility from Tiger for his own bad behavior requires that his wife must be partly to blame for Tiger's sex habit perhaps because she is a cold b**** or a gold digger or both or was even carrying on her own string of marital infidelities.

Why do people feel the need to (at least partly) defend or excuse the man's behavior? We have no indication from any source that his wife was sleeping around. The accusation that he wasn't getting enough sex at home came from the close friend of one of the women he cheated with - not an unbiased source for this kind of information.

Over the years it has proven endlessly fascinating to me to see how frequently women will defend this kind of behavior on the part of men by joining with their male counterparts to blame it on the woman. This makes me uncomfortable because it resembles the way society blames women for getting raped ("she asked for it by dressing that way") or the way male abusers blame their female victims ("I didn't want to beat her but she drove me to it with her behavior"). I don't understand this unless I place it in the context of the feminist paradigm which posits that our society is deeply patriarchal in nature and that both men and women are firmly in thrall to this ideology, which is simultaneously conscious and unconscious, and which holds that men are supreme and women exist only to be subservient.

I don't interpret Tiger's desire for privacy in dealing with these matters as being motivated by a gentlemanly code of conduct whereby he wants only to protect his wife and children. If he cared that much about his wife and children he wouldn't have been screwing around in the first place. In my view, his own actions have disqualified him from making a claim to gentleman status. I think his attempts to keep this matter out of the public eye were motivated mostly by his desire to maintain a positive public image that earns him a lot of money in endorsements.

To be sure, Tiger Woods wasn't the first man to cheat on his wife and he won't be the last, but to suggest that it was somehow his wife's fault doesn't cut it with me. It appears more accurate to me to admit that here was a man who just couldn't keep a promise (his marriage vow) and couldn't be trusted to do the right thing by his wife. His actions were a breach of the "family values" that lots of folks like to talk about but few apparently understand. It's that simple.

Haven't read a word of this thread, but tonight, after being out drankin, it makes me laugh that the subject says 'golfer tiger woods'... as opposed to waiter tiger woods, or pro wrestler tiger woods, etc?

Sorry, and no offense garry, I sometimes just like to share things that amuse me. carry on.

alphabits wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:And let's see, she left Sweden as a supermodel to become a nanny for a successful golfer, you don't think there were any ulterior motives in that move?

Model? Yes Supermodel? Not even close.
She and her sister were au pairs for Jesper Parnevik, a Swedish golfer. Ulterior motive? I'm guessing when you're 20 that'd seem like a pretty sweet gig. Or maybe her psychic told her that ultimately it would end up with an introduction to Tiger Woods.

C-Dawg wrote:I agree and posted earlier that Tiger was quoted as saying that since the wedding that their sex life had disappeared.

Excuse #1 for every cheating husband. They were married 5 years and had 2 kids during that time. Anybody that believes that their sex life will be unchanged during 2 pregnancies and the rigors of caring for infants is living in a fantasy world.

I agree with you bits. It's wrong to speculate about what was doing behind Tiger's back. Afterall, Tiger has admitted his trangressions. And to clear up a few things. Elin was NOT a supermodel. She modeled swimsuits briefly but left the modeling world to study child psychology (that would make sense as to why she became an au pair). It's not fair to characterize her as a gold digger....according to this article I read, she turned Tiger down the first time he asked her out (or his friend asked her out for him).

Now here is me on my soapbox:

All marriages go through tough times (emotionally, sexually, etc). No one is immune to getting bored, thinking the grass is greener, etc. BUT IT IS NEVER EVER OK TO CHEAT. period. If you dont want to be with the same person all of your life...then DON'T GET MARRIED. Simple as that.

Off of soapbox.

I am intrigued more about this with regard to the "business aspect", prenup and how all that will turn out. I hope Elin gets what is FAIR for her to get. Afterall, Tiger DID make his millions before she came along.

Let's go Tiger hunting!
http://www.break.com/games/tiger-woods-wife-outrun.html

flyboy55 wrote:I think that the discussion about this has been lively here because the recent revelations about Tiger Woods' infidelities are at odds with what most people liked to believe about him. Although he hasn't addressed these revelations in detail, he has offered up a blanket apology about his failings as a husband and father. The emails and text messages that are now being made public speak for themselves. The man has been quite sexually active outside of his marriage. People wouldn't normally defend this kind of thing, but because it is Tiger Woods lots of folks are giving him a free pass.

They offer up a weak defense of Tiger's serial transgressions by repeating the unsubstantiated report of a friend of one of his mistresses that Tiger wasn't getting laid at home. Aside from the self-serving nature of this kind of gossip, so what? The sex isn't frequent enough or kinky enough at home so you start sleeping around? The other theme intended to deflect responsibility from Tiger for his own bad behavior requires that his wife must be partly to blame for Tiger's sex habit perhaps because she is a cold b**** or a gold digger or both or was even carrying on her own string of marital infidelities.

Why do people feel the need to (at least partly) defend or excuse the man's behavior? We have no indication from any source that his wife was sleeping around. The accusation that he wasn't getting enough sex at home came from the close friend of one of the women he cheated with - not an unbiased source for this kind of information.

Over the years it has proven endlessly fascinating to me to see how frequently women will defend this kind of behavior on the part of men by joining with their male counterparts to blame it on the woman. This makes me uncomfortable because it resembles the way society blames women for getting raped ("she asked for it by dressing that way") or the way male abusers blame their female victims ("I didn't want to beat her but she drove me to it with her behavior"). I don't understand this unless I place it in the context of the feminist paradigm which posits that our society is deeply patriarchal in nature and that both men and women are firmly in thrall to this ideology, which is simultaneously conscious and unconscious, and which holds that men are supreme and women exist only to be subservient.

I don't interpret Tiger's desire for privacy in dealing with these matters as being motivated by a gentlemanly code of conduct whereby he wants only to protect his wife and children. If he cared that much about his wife and children he wouldn't have been screwing around in the first place. In my view, his own actions have disqualified him from making a claim to gentleman status. I think his attempts to keep this matter out of the public eye were motivated mostly by his desire to maintain a positive public image that earns him a lot of money in endorsements.

To be sure, Tiger Woods wasn't the first man to cheat on his wife and he won't be the last, but to suggest that it was somehow his wife's fault doesn't cut it with me. It appears more accurate to me to admit that here was a man who just couldn't keep a promise (his marriage vow) and couldn't be trusted to do the right thing by his wife. His actions were a breach of the "family values" that lots of folks like to talk about but few apparently understand. It's that simple.

Well said fb55!!!

Why did Tiger hit a fire hydrant AND a tree?

He couldn't decide between an iron and a wood.

flyboy55 wrote:I think that the discussion about this has been lively here because the recent revelations about Tiger Woods' infidelities are at odds with what most people liked to believe about him. Although he hasn't addressed these revelations in detail, he has offered up a blanket apology about his failings as a husband and father. The emails and text messages that are now being made public speak for themselves. The man has been quite sexually active outside of his marriage. People wouldn't normally defend this kind of thing, but because it is Tiger Woods lots of folks are giving him a free pass.

They offer up a weak defense of Tiger's serial transgressions by repeating the unsubstantiated report of a friend of one of his mistresses that Tiger wasn't getting laid at home. Aside from the self-serving nature of this kind of gossip, so what? The sex isn't frequent enough or kinky enough at home so you start sleeping around? The other theme intended to deflect responsibility from Tiger for his own bad behavior requires that his wife must be partly to blame for Tiger's sex habit perhaps because she is a cold b**** or a gold digger or both or was even carrying on her own string of marital infidelities.

Why do people feel the need to (at least partly) defend or excuse the man's behavior? We have no indication from any source that his wife was sleeping around. The accusation that he wasn't getting enough sex at home came from the close friend of one of the women he cheated with - not an unbiased source for this kind of information.

Over the years it has proven endlessly fascinating to me to see how frequently women will defend this kind of behavior on the part of men by joining with their male counterparts to blame it on the woman. This makes me uncomfortable because it resembles the way society blames women for getting raped ("she asked for it by dressing that way") or the way male abusers blame their female victims ("I didn't want to beat her but she drove me to it with her behavior"). I don't understand this unless I place it in the context of the feminist paradigm which posits that our society is deeply patriarchal in nature and that both men and women are firmly in thrall to this ideology, which is simultaneously conscious and unconscious, and which holds that men are supreme and women exist only to be subservient.

I don't interpret Tiger's desire for privacy in dealing with these matters as being motivated by a gentlemanly code of conduct whereby he wants only to protect his wife and children. If he cared that much about his wife and children he wouldn't have been screwing around in the first place. In my view, his own actions have disqualified him from making a claim to gentleman status. I think his attempts to keep this matter out of the public eye were motivated mostly by his desire to maintain a positive public image that earns him a lot of money in endorsements.

To be sure, Tiger Woods wasn't the first man to cheat on his wife and he won't be the last, but to suggest that it was somehow his wife's fault doesn't cut it with me. It appears more accurate to me to admit that here was a man who just couldn't keep a promise (his marriage vow) and couldn't be trusted to do the right thing by his wife. His actions were a breach of the "family values" that lots of folks like to talk about but few apparently understand. It's that simple.

Thanks!

sunseeker wrote:All marriages go through tough times (emotionally, sexually, etc). No one is immune to getting bored, thinking the grass is greener, etc. BUT IT IS NEVER EVER OK TO CHEAT. period. If you don't want to be with the same person all of your life...then DON'T GET MARRIED. Simple as that.

WELL SAID!!!!

-"BB"-

Bicycle Bill wrote:

sunseeker wrote:All marriages go through tough times (emotionally, sexually, etc). No one is immune to getting bored, thinking the grass is greener, etc. BUT IT IS NEVER EVER OK TO CHEAT. period. If you don't want to be with the same person all of your life...then DON'T GET MARRIED. Simple as that.

WELL SAID!!!!

-"BB"-

Unless you're into swinging

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Would you show the same outrage and opinions if this was about Jimmy and not Tiger? Something to think about....

If it were Jimmy I have no doubt there are people who would break out their Margaritaville brand knee pads and try to get in on the action. Anything to get some JJJ.

Wait...there are M'ville kneepads?

F'N SPEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C-Dawg wrote:

Brown Eyed Girl wrote:Ya know what kills me? All of you assume that Elin is innocent in this whole mess. Why? How do you know she hasn't been screwing around as well? It's pretty clear that Tiger has protected her in regards to the events leading up to the accident, who's to say that he still isn't protecting her for the sake of the kids? I've always been struck by how cold and aloof she appears at Tiger's events, so I question whether she'd be easy to live with. And I remember one tournament Tiger won (I believe prior to the leg issues) when he was holding Sam and it came time to accept his trophy and check and he went to give Sam back to Elin and Sam wanted nothing to do with her Mom. This went on for several minutes and you could tell it was making Tiger uncomfortable. And let's see, she left Sweden as a supermodel to become a nanny for a successful golfer, you don't think there were any ulterior motives in that move?

By no means am I excusing Tiger's behavior and choices. But I refuse to automatically assume that Elin is as pure as snow in this whole mess. Talk about assuming facts not in evidence.

Then there are these "other women". They all knew Tiger was married. If he was coming on to them they could have said, "I'm flattered, but you're married so no thanks". But no..."he's f'ing Tiger Woods..I don't care!" They had two goals: to bring down Tiger Woods and make a whole lot of money in the process. How come no one is condemning THEM?

Would you show the same outrage and opinions if this was about Jimmy and not Tiger? Something to think about....

I agree and posted earlier that Tiger was quoted as saying that since the wedding that their sex life had disappeared. Sadly if a guy isn't getting it at home, if it's important to him, he'll get it elsewhere. Every wife should know that. Do I excuse Tiger? No, but having been married and in a few relationships before, I can relate. Every woman should be taught that if she wants her man to be faithful, then keep him happy......the same goes for the husbands.
Sadly, there are no winners in this, unless you count bank accounts and lawyer fees.

Well said Kat and Chris!!!

flyboy55 wrote:I think that the discussion about this has been lively here because the recent revelations about Tiger Woods' infidelities are at odds with what most people liked to believe about him. Although he hasn't addressed these revelations in detail, he has offered up a blanket apology about his failings as a husband and father. The emails and text messages that are now being made public speak for themselves. The man has been quite sexually active outside of his marriage. People wouldn't normally defend this kind of thing, but because it is Tiger Woods lots of folks are giving him a free pass.

They offer up a weak defense of Tiger's serial transgressions by repeating the unsubstantiated report of a friend of one of his mistresses that Tiger wasn't getting laid at home. Aside from the self-serving nature of this kind of gossip, so what? The sex isn't frequent enough or kinky enough at home so you start sleeping around? The other theme intended to deflect responsibility from Tiger for his own bad behavior requires that his wife must be partly to blame for Tiger's sex habit perhaps because she is a cold b**** or a gold digger or both or was even carrying on her own string of marital infidelities.

Why do people feel the need to (at least partly) defend or excuse the man's behavior? We have no indication from any source that his wife was sleeping around. The accusation that he wasn't getting enough sex at home came from the close friend of one of the women he cheated with - not an unbiased source for this kind of information.

Over the years it has proven endlessly fascinating to me to see how frequently women will defend this kind of behavior on the part of men by joining with their male counterparts to blame it on the woman. This makes me uncomfortable because it resembles the way society blames women for getting raped ("she asked for it by dressing that way") or the way male abusers blame their female victims ("I didn't want to beat her but she drove me to it with her behavior"). I don't understand this unless I place it in the context of the feminist paradigm which posits that our society is deeply patriarchal in nature and that both men and women are firmly in thrall to this ideology, which is simultaneously conscious and unconscious, and which holds that men are supreme and women exist only to be subservient.

I don't interpret Tiger's desire for privacy in dealing with these matters as being motivated by a gentlemanly code of conduct whereby he wants only to protect his wife and children. If he cared that much about his wife and children he wouldn't have been screwing around in the first place. In my view, his own actions have disqualified him from making a claim to gentleman status. I think his attempts to keep this matter out of the public eye were motivated mostly by his desire to maintain a positive public image that earns him a lot of money in endorsements.

To be sure, Tiger Woods wasn't the first man to cheat on his wife and he won't be the last, but to suggest that it was somehow his wife's fault doesn't cut it with me. It appears more accurate to me to admit that here was a man who just couldn't keep a promise (his marriage vow) and couldn't be trusted to do the right thing by his wife. His actions were a breach of the "family values" that lots of folks like to talk about but few apparently understand. It's that simple.

I couldn't have said it better.

Ping just offered Elin an endorsement contract for her own set of drivers; to be named Elin Woods..."clubs you can beat Tiger with."

Who among us doesn't hear a car crash and immediately grab the closest golf club we can find??!!