Dumb question about boat planes

[rmissbrook]

Neat picture. At first I thought this was just one plane.

[Staredge]

In my quest to understand about "boat planes" I found some more interesting ones.
The UGLY plane was project by the Russians to fight Polaris submarines in the 50's and 60's. Never finished so this one is just sitting in a field somewhere in Russia.

Got any more on that one? That's cool as hell!!!!! Thing about Soviet technology......practical, but overbuilt as all gitout.

[rmissbrook]

In my quest to understand about "boat planes" I found some more interesting ones.
The UGLY plane was project by the Russians to fight Polaris submarines in the 50's and 60's. Never finished so this one is just sitting in a field somewhere in Russia.

Got any more on that one? That's cool as hell!!!!! Thing about Soviet technology......practical, but overbuilt as all gitout.

Here's the link. But if you google "Bartini" there are a bunch of sites.
http://www.scale-models.net/images/barr ... %20(3).jpg

[Staredge]

Beriev is still in business....building some neat stuff.






And a video of her in flight. Cheesy music, but great looking seaplane. http://www.beriev-usa.com/video/be103-tl.mpg

US distributor is at http://www.beriev-usa.com/main/index.html

[Dutch Harbor PH]

......The ultimate in weird science....The russian Ekranoplans......ground effect flying boats........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

[rmissbrook]

......The ultimate in weird science....The russian Ekranoplans......ground effect flying boats........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

Both videos are cool. But please explain to me what the purpose of the Ekranoplane is.

Here are a couple of other videos I found while looking at both of yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__XflBfm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uFzJ1oYgg

[Staredge]

Those are the Beriev A-40. Neat airplane.

Ekranoplanes are designed to fly in ground effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_vehicle

Not technically an airplane, as they don't "fly" as such. They're limited to flying just off the surface of the water. Speed is the issue.

[Bicycle Bill]

Even the EAA likes seaplanes — here's this month's wallpaper/calendar, available for download:



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[Cane Garden Bay]

In the Photo section of Buffettnews, there is a picture of the Grumman Goose in Jimmy Buffett's Hanger in Sag Harbor, NY. I used to see this plane all the time when I would drive by there on my way back from Montauk.

[rmissbrook]

In the Photo section of Buffettnews, there is a picture of the Grumman Goose in Jimmy Buffett's Hanger in Sag Harbor, NY. I used to see this plane all the time when I would drive by there on my way back from Montauk.

I had forgotten about that picture. I just checked and it was posted in September, 2007 so this would be the old Goose. Is he still keeping the new one there?

[Dutch Harbor PH]

......The ultimate in weird science....The russian Ekranoplans......ground effect flying boats........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

Both videos are cool. But please explain to me what the purpose of the Ekranoplane is.

Here are a couple of other videos I found while looking at both of yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__XflBfm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uFzJ1oYgg

They were originally military equipment to rapidly get men and equipment across bodies of water like the capsian sea......they were also used as high speed ferries..... ture that they only operate in the ground effect zone, but that does count as flying.....

[rmissbrook]

......The ultimate in weird science....The russian Ekranoplans......ground effect flying boats........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

Both videos are cool. But please explain to me what the purpose of the Ekranoplane is.

Here are a couple of other videos I found while looking at both of yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__XflBfm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uFzJ1oYgg

They were originally military equipment to rapidly get men and equipment across bodies of water like the capsian sea......they were also used as high speed ferries..... ture that they only operate in the ground effect zone, but that does count as flying.....

So could they only fly like that over water? If so why isn't it called "water effect flying?"

[HurricaneSeason]

In the Photo section of Buffettnews, there is a picture of the Grumman Goose in Jimmy Buffett's Hanger in Sag Harbor, NY. I used to see this plane all the time when I would drive by there on my way back from Montauk.

I had forgotten about that picture. I just checked and it was posted in September, 2007 so this would be the old Goose. Is he still keeping the new one there?

Old Goose? I thought that was the 'new one'. He had one previously?

[rmissbrook]

In the Photo section of Buffettnews, there is a picture of the Grumman Goose in Jimmy Buffett's Hanger in Sag Harbor, NY. I used to see this plane all the time when I would drive by there on my way back from Montauk.

I had forgotten about that picture. I just checked and it was posted in September, 2007 so this would be the old Goose. Is he still keeping the new one there?

Old Goose? I thought that was the 'new one'. He had one previously?

Remember we had a whole discussion several days ago. He got a "different" goose in 2009. The picture of the goose in the hanger was taken in 2007, so that would be the old, old goose. And the one he has now would be the new, old goose since it was made in 1939.

[Dutch Harbor PH]

......The ultimate in weird science....The russian Ekranoplans......ground effect flying boats........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

Both videos are cool. But please explain to me what the purpose of the Ekranoplane is.

Here are a couple of other videos I found while looking at both of yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__XflBfm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uFzJ1oYgg

They were originally military equipment to rapidly get men and equipment across bodies of water like the capsian sea......they were also used as high speed ferries..... ture that they only operate in the ground effect zone, but that does count as flying.....

So could they only fly like that over water? If so why isn't it called "water effect flying?"

It's called "Ground Effect" because it can happen over any surface and was fist studied over the ends of runways when Planes would come within 1/2 to 1/4 of ther wingspan to the ground.....For "Ground Effect" to be Effective, you need a fairly smooth unbroken surface....Water is the perfect medium for large distances since you dont have hioll amnd dale to contend with.....

[rmissbrook]

......The ultimate in weird science....The russian Ekranoplans......ground effect flying boats........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

Both videos are cool. But please explain to me what the purpose of the Ekranoplane is.

Here are a couple of other videos I found while looking at both of yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__XflBfm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uFzJ1oYgg

They were originally military equipment to rapidly get men and equipment across bodies of water like the capsian sea......they were also used as high speed ferries..... ture that they only operate in the ground effect zone, but that does count as flying.....

So could they only fly like that over water? If so why isn't it called "water effect flying?"

It's called "Ground Effect" because it can happen over any surface and was fist studied over the ends of runways when Planes would come within 1/2 to 1/4 of ther wingspan to the ground.....For "Ground Effect" to be Effective, you need a fairly smooth unbroken surface....Water is the perfect medium for large distances since you dont have hioll amnd dale to contend with.....

Are they still in use today? I could not really tell when the videos were made if they are currently flying.

(Thanks for putting up with all my questions.)

[Bicycle Bill]

......The ultimate in weird science....The russian Ekranoplans......ground effect flying boats........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

Both videos are cool. But please explain to me what the purpose of the Ekranoplane is.

Here are a couple of other videos I found while looking at both of yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__XflBfm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uFzJ1oYgg

They were originally military equipment to rapidly get men and equipment across bodies of water like the capsian sea......they were also used as high speed ferries..... ture that they only operate in the ground effect zone, but that does count as flying.....

So could they only fly like that over water? If so why isn't it called "water effect flying?"

It's called "Ground Effect" because it can happen over any surface and was fist studied over the ends of runways when Planes would come within 1/2 to 1/4 of ther wingspan to the ground.....For "Ground Effect" to be Effective, you need a fairly smooth unbroken surface....Water is the perfect medium for large distances since you dont have hioll amnd dale to contend with.....

Are they still in use today? I could not really tell when the videos were made if they are currently flying.

(Thanks for putting up with all my questions.)

If you go to Google Maps they still show up at the naval base in Kaspiysk, on the Caspian Sea. Click here to view.
Compare the size of the large one (the Lun, one of two believed to have been built) to the ships in the harbor with it. Note also the smaller ekranoplan — probably one of the A-90 Orlyonok models — on the shore to the left of the harbor.

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[rmissbrook]

Well that is really impressive. Do we think those planes are really being used everyday or are they just sitting there?

[rmissbrook]

Well, here is just what Jimmy needs: an Ekranoplan Yacht. He likes tree top flying. This is just a little lower but you sure could spot fish.

http://www.yachtboutique.com/Designers/ ... noplan.htm

Perhaps the most exciting feature of the Gemini is its ability to fly right into a remote deserted beach or island at low speeds allowing for the dry desembarkment of the owners and guests. The entire nose tilts open for easy deployment of two large off-road vehicles (bring your Hummer), cars or whatever toys you want. A transom garage holds one large tender, which is deployed by a ramp, so on the way back, all you have to do is speed up the tender to jump right into the garage. Have fun guys!

[Dutch Harbor PH]

Well, here is just what Jimmy needs: an Ekranoplan Yacht. He likes tree top flying. This is just a little lower but you sure could spot fish.

http://www.yachtboutique.com/Designers/ ... noplan.htm

Perhaps the most exciting feature of the Gemini is its ability to fly right into a remote deserted beach or island at low speeds allowing for the dry desembarkment of the owners and guests. The entire nose tilts open for easy deployment of two large off-road vehicles (bring your Hummer), cars or whatever toys you want. A transom garage holds one large tender, which is deployed by a ramp, so on the way back, all you have to do is speed up the tender to jump right into the garage. Have fun guys!

Cool Picture!!!....Notice how the front Jet engines are angled to enhance the effect at low speeds by directing the jet wash down below the wing....