This is getting a bit old

[HurricaneSeason]

Lately it seems that there's always an angle that you have to be watching out for, and it's tiresome to constantly be reminded that I've viewed not as a valuable part of the fanbase (who has spent a god awful amount of cash), but as an ATM machine.

A valuable part of the fan base!? I'd be tired too if I was an automated teller machine machine like you feel you are - that's twice the amount of work! One machine to make sure the other one works? And for what? $3? It's hard to be a valuable part of the fan base.

Hey - nobody told you to order - you do get it that it's Mailboat and not Margaritaville, right? I know it's possibly and probably all the same but really, it's Mailboat! Do you really expect something? After all, the head honcho for Mailboat knows you'll buy anything that comes out. You being anyone here...or not.

I can tell you that I only bought one Tiki Time Tour live album - Hawaii. And I did not get Wrigley. Or Hoot. Or the live album from Texas. And something else. Oh yeah, Scenes You Know By Heart. So I don't buy everything. I don't consider myself a valuable part of the fan base. Nor an ATM yet alone an ATM "machine"!

[oceanstate]

Lately it seems that there's always an angle that you have to be watching out for, and it's tiresome to constantly be reminded that I've viewed not as a valuable part of the fanbase (who has spent a god awful amount of cash), but as an ATM machine.

A valuable part of the fan base!? I'd be tired too if I was an automated teller machine machine like you feel you are - that's twice the amount of work! One machine to make sure the other one works? And for what? $3? It's hard to be a valuable part of the fan base.

Hey - nobody told you to order - you do get it that it's Mailboat and not Margaritaville, right? I know it's possibly and probably all the same but really, it's Mailboat! Do you really expect something? After all, the head honcho for Mailboat knows you'll buy anything that comes out. You being anyone here...or not.

I can tell you that I only bought one Tiki Time Tour live album - Hawaii. And I did not get Wrigley. Or Hoot. Or the live album from Texas. And something else. Oh yeah, Scenes You Know By Heart. So I don't buy everything. I don't consider myself a valuable part of the fan base. Nor an ATM yet alone an ATM "machine"!

The valuable fan base comment had nothing to do with 1 CD, and I suspect you probably know that. It has to do with going to concerts since the 80's, buying loads of stuff I didn't need, as well as performing hours of community work in Jimmy's name through the PHC. Did he personally ask me to? No. I did it all voluntarily. But my dollars bought his big ass boat and houses and planes. And all I was asking was that the empire treat me with a little respect and give me some honesty.

And if you want to go through threads to pick out grammatical errors that really don't alter the meaning of the sentence, rock on. Frankly, I've never found that to make anyone look particularly clever.

I can tell you that I follow a number of other artists, mainly in the country venue. When those folks tell you that you are getting the best seats through the fan club, you are. When they tell you they are giving you a break on the CD price through their own outlet, it's true. And those folks sell out concerts in 15 minutes as well.

Then again, I've also found their fans to generally be respectful of each other.

[HurricaneSeason]

And if you want to go through threads to pick out grammatical errors that really don't alter the meaning of the sentence, rock on. Frankly, I've never found that to make anyone look particularly clever.

It's not a grammatical error technically - it's just an astounding AND hilarious observation that one would use an acronym and then actually type out part of the acronym anyway. Then again, Jimmy does it too and he's a big fan of language. But. For example, a lot of people say "NC double A" but they don't type it that way. I find it amusing that the dumbing down of the English language has so wonderfully been accepted and even insisted upon and permeates everything now. You really have to see the silliness of it - you're talking about how you ordered it for $14.98, then it went down to $12 and you feel not only that you've been screwed (my words) for being a fan but you also feel like an ATM machine.

Is that any different than if you were to make some wrong Buffett fact and someone pointed it out to you? I dunno. From what I've read you're really complaining about yourself. There's no equity in being a long time Buffett fan. It means nothing.

I remarked it took me ten minutes to find the album in another thread. That was based on and in accordance to/with my last and first experience of buying a Buffett album at WalMart, which was Buffet Hotel. I side with the people that are finding it amusing, amazing, bewildering and frustrating to go into a WalMart, hyped as and promoted as being the only other place to get the album, and not find JB's album in a place one would expect to find it - because they, the record stocking person - certainly are able to put the rest of the new releases in the 'new releases' area yet alone the actual bin of the artist sometimes. It ain't hard. But it sure is obvious that it is. And THAT is funny.

[~Hippolyte~]

Hey oceanstate just wanted to say thanks for pointing this out. I too pre-ordered from Margaritaville paying $14.98. I'll await the CD's arrival, then give them a call about the $2.98 they owe me.

It's not a ton of money, it's the principle of the thing. I doubt I'll get much fight from them about a refund. I already had to speak with a nice associate from there regarding some credit card info I miss-entered.

[oceanstate]

I believe that there is a difference. If I misquoted a Buffett fact in a line, it probably would make a material difference in the meaning of what I was saying. For example, if I said, "Jimmy's birthday is February 7th, the same as mine," the misstatement would be material, as it would change the entire meaning of the post. In the case at hand, the addition of "machine" to "ATM" really doesn't change the meaning of the post. But if it gives you great pleasure to point out what you perceive to be the errors of other people all the time, more power to you. I hope it serves you well at cocktail parties. I prefer not to be that person.

Sorry that you don't think that a long time fan has any validity. I can assure you it's not that way with other artists. Maybe, in addition to "dumbing down America", we've also learned to lower our expectations of those to whom we give our money.

But let's look at it a different way. Let's say one goes into their favorite liquor store today and there's a sign up that says "Coming Soon. Margaritaville Vodka. Pre-order a bottle today for only $22.50." You pony up the money, and they tell you to come in on May 1st, and pick up your bottle. On May 1st, you walk into that very same store that you frequent a lot, and they have a big display of Margaritaville Vodka for $18.00. When you say, "but I paid $22.50," they say "well, stupid you for ordering it early. Everyone else gets it for $18.00."

I suspect 99% of the folks on this board, if they were honest, would be a bit miffed. Not outraged. Just annoyed, especially if it's the store to which you always give your booze money.

Before anyone points it out -- I realize that there is no such thing as Margaritaville Vodka. Yet. Probably will be some day. I made it up for an illustration.

[ph4ever]

oceanstate I think you are 100% correct in bringing this up and shouldn't have to take grief because of your bringing it up. You've obviously already helped one person by informing them of this problem. Some people just don't like Buffett to be criticized no matter what. I personally think that the quality of some of the items you buy from Margaritaville has gone downhill over the years and now to hear about this tends to make me wonder just how much profit was made.

[Tiki Bar]

Since I'm not a fan of Walmart, I jumped at the Margaritaville pre-sale of the Encores CD. List price was $14.98. Let's face it...only fans pre-order CDs. But I did.

Since it released today, I went over to check and see if the order shipped. Not really sure if the CD shipped, but I did notice that my credit card was charged $14.98 (confirmed with the card statement online).

Nice to see that today, the day of release, the CD is being sold for $12.00. Now, I realize that we're only talking about $3 here, which isn't going to shake the world, but this litany of things happening that say loud and clear "we only care about squeezing every dime we can out of you and really have no regard for the fan experience" is beginning to wear really, really thin.

I think if you pre-order, your cd should be delivered on or before it's release date. If you still haven't gotten it, I agree that it sucks.

But in Jimmy's case, I don't think the pre-order price has ever been less than the release week prices. It's not right or wrong, it is what it is. I pre-ordered once and learned my lesson (it's cheaper in the stores), but didn't have any complaints about it.

I've always felt that the only advantage of the pre-order was getting it first (which didn't happen here), and the convenience of not having to go in to pick it up at a store. You pay extra for that convenience. If you read the 'encores' thread, you're definitely making out like a bandit and getting your $3 worth by not having to endure the hassles that so many others have by trying their luck at WalMart.

I'd hope if you contact them to voice your complaint about the release day online order-price change (which was possibly done to match WalMart's price), combined with the fact you haven't received it yet, that they'd honor the lower price. I don't think that they have no regard for you/us, and are trying to squeeze every dime out of you/us. But we're all entitled to our own opinions.

[Tiki Bar]

i'd be angry to if that was me. but i gotta say, i'm more annoyed at the song selection than anything else. how many of these encores arent even jimmys songs? half of this album was written by other artists. i know for me i look forward to his encores in the hope i will hear a real treat of a song that hasnt been played in years or if at all. and by that, a song of jimmys, not tom petty. you could go album by album listening to jimmys own songs that he hasnt done in ages or ever and say "that would be a great encore." and just for the record, there are a few exceptions on this album that fall into that category but overall it falls way short.

Last time I actually went through a set list and counted, about a third of what Jimmy plays at shows is covers. The songs on his last two studio albums have been predominantly written by other artists. Given those two pieces of data, I'm certainly not surprised that half of what's on this album is covers. If you're going to be unhappy with Jimmy about this, then you're probably unhappy with what's been on his set lists the past 5-10 years too. You're entitled if you want to be...but I don't know that it's all that unexpected an occurrence.

And me...I think I'll save my anger and outrage for more important stuff. But do what works for you.

not anger or outrage, just an observation. i am aware of the number of cover songs he has done the past 10 years and by most accounts im not really a fan of it.and from this collection there are only 2 songs from this past decade that even made the album.look im just saying i go to hear jimmy buffett do jimmy buffett songs,not jimmy buffett be a cover band. sorry i dont get excited for buffett doing springsteen,dylan,or petty. if i wanted to hear those songs i would go see those artists.

and me. i just wont be sit back and say everything the guy releases and does is outstanding. but do what works for you!

"i know for me i look forward to his encores in the hope i will hear a real treat of a song that hasnt been played in years or if at all." ??? It's titled "Encores"... songs played as encores... of course the songs would have had to have been played! It's been the concept of the album since inception.

I understand the desire for Jimmy doing Jimmy songs, because there are indeed plenty of gems in his catalog to choose from, that many wish he would perform more of, especially in lieu of covers. But I can't fault him for most of the covers he chooses, for a few reasons.

I'd never dictate to or demand from any artist. They do what feels right to them, as they are inspired and inclined to do.

As Jimmy says over and over on the Encores album, he is paying tribute and respect to the masterful writing of his peers. God Bless him for it. How often do you hear him say "I wish I wrote that song.'? I bet we hear ZBB on this year's tour.

And most of the covers he chooses, especially the ones on the Encores album, are absolutely beautiful! When I hear Jimmy singing something wonderful, I don't stop and consider who wrote it before reacting to it or enjoying it. In most cases, I hear it, and think to myself "aaaah, oh wow!". Do You Know What It Means To Miss New Orleans, Banana Republics, L'Air De La Louisiane, Coast of Marseilles, Wildflowers... sigh

And finally, by saying "and me. i just wont be sit back and say everything the guy releases and does is outstanding", to me that insinuates that the rest of us do. That's where you're wrong. Different strokes for different folks. Some of us really actually just enjoy what we hear, dessert or otherwise.

g'day!

[changingchannels]

i'd be angry to if that was me. but i gotta say, i'm more annoyed at the song selection than anything else. how many of these encores arent even jimmys songs? half of this album was written by other artists. i know for me i look forward to his encores in the hope i will hear a real treat of a song that hasnt been played in years or if at all. and by that, a song of jimmys, not tom petty. you could go album by album listening to jimmys own songs that he hasnt done in ages or ever and say "that would be a great encore." and just for the record, there are a few exceptions on this album that fall into that category but overall it falls way short.

Last time I actually went through a set list and counted, about a third of what Jimmy plays at shows is covers. The songs on his last two studio albums have been predominantly written by other artists. Given those two pieces of data, I'm certainly not surprised that half of what's on this album is covers. If you're going to be unhappy with Jimmy about this, then you're probably unhappy with what's been on his set lists the past 5-10 years too. You're entitled if you want to be...but I don't know that it's all that unexpected an occurrence.


And me...I think I'll save my anger and outrage for more important stuff. But do what works for you.

not anger or outrage, just an observation. i am aware of the number of cover songs he has done the past 10 years and by most accounts im not really a fan of it.and from this collection there are only 2 songs from this past decade that even made the album.look im just saying i go to hear jimmy buffett do jimmy buffett songs,not jimmy buffett be a cover band. sorry i dont get excited for buffett doing springsteen,dylan,or petty. if i wanted to hear those songs i would go see those artists.

and me. i just wont be sit back and say everything the guy releases and does is outstanding. but do what works for you!

"i know for me i look forward to his encores in the hope i will hear a real treat of a song that hasnt been played in years or if at all." ??? It's titled "Encores"... songs played as encores... of course the songs would have had to have been played! It's been the concept of the album since inception.

I understand the desire for Jimmy doing Jimmy songs, because there are indeed plenty of gems in his catalog to choose from, that many wish he would perform more of, especially in lieu of covers. But I can't fault him for most of the covers he chooses, for a few reasons.

I'd never dictate to or demand from any artist. They do what feels right to them, as they are inspired and inclined to do.

As Jimmy says over and over on the Encores album, he is paying tribute and respect to the masterful writing of his peers. God Bless him for it. How often do you hear him say "I wish I wrote that song.'? I bet we hear ZBB on this year's tour.

And most of the covers he chooses, especially the ones on the Encores album, are absolutely beautiful! When I hear Jimmy singing something wonderful, I don't stop and consider who wrote it before reacting to it or enjoying it. In most cases, I hear it, and think to myself "aaaah, oh wow!". Do You Know What It Means To Miss New Orleans, Banana Republics, L'Air De La Louisiane, Coast of Marseilles, Wildflowers... sigh

And finally, by saying "and me. i just wont be sit back and say everything the guy releases and does is outstanding", to me that insinuates that the rest of us do. That's where you're wrong. Different strokes for different folks. Some of us really actually just enjoy what we hear, dessert or otherwise.

g'day!

i didn't insinuate that everybody feels that way.my point was that i feel the album lacks original music and would be considerably better if it included a collection of 24 jimmy buffett songs that havent seen the light of day in years or if at all. i mean whats the point of releasing albums if you arent going to play the majority of the music on them?i realize that the album was based on two years of touring but he has been recording his shows for years so surely there are more songs of his available. sorry that my comments weren't a glowing report on how terrific the collection is.but i do take notice when i've been to a show and heard: on the road again, brown eyed girl,scarlet begonias,dixie chicken,southern cross, and glory days. i find it ridiculous that people are hoping to hear more cover songs instead of jimmys 30 plus albums worth of material! Different strokes for different folks.Some of us really would like to hear a setlist of 28 original jimmy buffett songs for a change.

[sonofabeach]

I always thought that if you pre-ordered a cd that you did just that, ordered it and then it will be shipped on release day. Maybe I'm wrong because I've never pre-ordered. I usually just get it on release day at a store.

[HurricaneSeason]

oceanstate, you obviously are missing the point and keep responding with the same 'have fun at cocktail parties'. So nevermind.

Just remember your PIN#.

However, I certainly get your point though about the difference in the sale of something and you are correct - I would be peessed if what you have described is the case. As you said, it's only $3 or whatever but that is not the point - the point is someone got the shaft. It all does boil down to Jimmy Buffett. Is it a way to get more people to buy it after it's come out? Maybe. Hell, $12 for a double album is a fantastic deal. That's a great price. Is it too cheap? I dunno. When you have your own label etc it's not expensive to make your own records. Is $12 too much for a studio album? Yeah. How albums went from less than a dollar a track to over a dollar a track from a big medium to a, at the time, small medium is beyond me.

I ordered Live In Hawaii - the original release - a week or so before it came out but I can not recall if it showed up the day it was to be released or not. I think it did or was a day before actually. It got reissued again later with a full listing of the songs and an actual tray for the DVD - which annoyed me to no end in a silly way. Is that what I got for ordering it? That a better version of the same thing comes out later and I'm stuck with the original? I guess. And the price difference? I don't remember. I do remember that it was a pretty good deal to order it and have it show up. And, in that fantastic American way of getting things done, I didn't feel like waiting for it to show up at the stores. So I ordered it and it showed up in my mailbox.

Hell, I'm still annoyed that I got the stupid digi-pak or cardboard version of Tuesdays when I've seen it in a jewel case. I have yet to buy it - again - so I can have it in a jewel case. Someday I will I'm sure. But it's not like I need it.

[tryin' to reason]

How 'bout those Red Sox ??!!

Could we all please re-read the title of this string ??

Thanks for listening.

[oceanstate]

How 'bout those Red Sox ??!!

Could we all please re-read the title of this string ??

Thanks for listening.

Oh...the Sox are a touchy subject right now.....

[HurricaneSeason]

The Bruins probably ain't.