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wiscoleeds wrote:Don't worry Red Sox fans, you'll have another chance to buy a World Series next year when you sign Prince Fielder.
MLB needs a salary cap! It's sad when a successful franchise can't afford to keep it's best young players, that they themselves developed, simply because of the financial disparity of the sport.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds

They Have a 1st baseman...so he won't be going to Boston.....and they didn't buy anything....all the moves except Crawford and Scutaro were trades or home grown players......Gonzo was a trade for 3 high prospects and was in the works the prior year....yes, they have the money.....but , they really don't spend all that much on free agents,,,high priced ones anyways

Ellsbury......home grown
Pedroia.......home grown
Gonzalaz....Trade for prospects
Ortiz..........FA ....but that was 9 years ago when he wasn't good
Scutaro.......FA....not a big name and contract
Yuke............home grown
Crawford.....FA....yes spent a lot on him
Reddick.........home grown
catcher position... Varitec ...a minor league trade and Salty also minor league trade

Lowerie.....home grown
Avilia.........trade
McDonell.....minor league trade
Drew.........waste of Money

so they really don't spend a whole lot outside the organization on position players

Starting pitching
Lester is Home grown
Buchholtz is home grown
Lackey....waste of money
Dice -K...hasn't pitched in 2 years....waste of money
Wakefield was a trade 17 years ago
Beckett was a trade fror some guy named Hanley Ramirez

i guess i don't see where they buy players....they have the resourses to keep there players

surfpirate wrote:

wiscoleeds wrote:Don't worry Red Sox fans, you'll have another chance to buy a World Series next year when you sign Prince Fielder.
MLB needs a salary cap! It's sad when a successful franchise can't afford to keep it's best young players, that they themselves developed, simply because of the financial disparity of the sport.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds

Amen that x10. Baseball is not America's game.
It is the big market, big spender's game.
Small markets be damned.
My shortstop earns more than your entire franchise is worth.
Where's the pride in that?

i agree with that.....but don't forget the big payroll teams are paying a luxery tax to the other teams...so they aren't hurting..they just don't choose to spend there money

Grrrrroan @ Dice-K!!! We should have just bought Dice...

TommyBahama wrote:

wiscoleeds wrote:Don't worry Red Sox fans, you'll have another chance to buy a World Series next year when you sign Prince Fielder.
MLB needs a salary cap! It's sad when a successful franchise can't afford to keep it's best young players, that they themselves developed, simply because of the financial disparity of the sport.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds

They Have a 1st baseman...so he won't be going to Boston.....and they didn't buy anything....all the moves except Crawford and Scutaro were trades or home grown players......Gonzo was a trade for 3 high prospects and was in the works the prior year....yes, they have the money.....but , they really don't spend all that much on free agents,,,high priced ones anyways

Ellsbury......home grown
Pedroia.......home grown
Gonzalaz....Trade for prospects
Ortiz..........FA ....but that was 9 years ago when he wasn't good
Scutaro.......FA....not a big name and contract
Yuke............home grown
Crawford.....FA....yes spent a lot on him
Reddick.........home grown
catcher position... Varitec ...a minor league trade and Salty also minor league trade

Lowerie.....home grown
Avilia.........trade
McDonell.....minor league trade
Drew.........waste of Money

so they really don't spend a whole lot outside the organization on position players

Starting pitching
Lester is Home grown
Buchholtz is home grown
Lackey....waste of money
Dice -K...hasn't pitched in 2 years....waste of money
Wakefield was a trade 17 years ago
Beckett was a trade fror some guy named Hanley Ramirez

i guess i don't see where they buy players....they have the resourses to keep there players

daaave33 wrote:
Grrrrroan @ Dice-K!!! We should have just bought Dice...

TommyBahama wrote:

wiscoleeds wrote:Don't worry Red Sox fans, you'll have another chance to buy a World Series next year when you sign Prince Fielder.
MLB needs a salary cap! It's sad when a successful franchise can't afford to keep it's best young players, that they themselves developed, simply because of the financial disparity of the sport.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds

They Have a 1st baseman...so he won't be going to Boston.....and they didn't buy anything....all the moves except Crawford and Scutaro were trades or home grown players......Gonzo was a trade for 3 high prospects and was in the works the prior year....yes, they have the money.....but , they really don't spend all that much on free agents,,,high priced ones anyways

Ellsbury......home grown
Pedroia.......home grown
Gonzalaz....Trade for prospects
Ortiz..........FA ....but that was 9 years ago when he wasn't good
Scutaro.......FA....not a big name and contract
Yuke............home grown
Crawford.....FA....yes spent a lot on him
Reddick.........home grown
catcher position... Varitec ...a minor league trade and Salty also minor league trade

Lowerie.....home grown
Avilia.........trade
McDonell.....minor league trade
Drew.........waste of Money

so they really don't spend a whole lot outside the organization on position players

Starting pitching
Lester is Home grown
Buchholtz is home grown
Lackey....waste of money
Dice -K...hasn't pitched in 2 years....waste of money
Wakefield was a trade 17 years ago
Beckett was a trade fror some guy named Hanley Ramirez

i guess i don't see where they buy players....they have the resourses to keep there players

haha.....would of got the same production but , entertaining in the club house!!

daaave33 wrote:
Grrrrroan @ Dice-K!!! We should have just bought Dice...

TommyBahama wrote:

wiscoleeds wrote:Don't worry Red Sox fans, you'll have another chance to buy a World Series next year when you sign Prince Fielder.
MLB needs a salary cap! It's sad when a successful franchise can't afford to keep it's best young players, that they themselves developed, simply because of the financial disparity of the sport.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds

They Have a 1st baseman...so he won't be going to Boston.....and they didn't buy anything....all the moves except Crawford and Scutaro were trades or home grown players......Gonzo was a trade for 3 high prospects and was in the works the prior year....yes, they have the money.....but , they really don't spend all that much on free agents,,,high priced ones anyways

Ellsbury......home grown
Pedroia.......home grown
Gonzalaz....Trade for prospects
Ortiz..........FA ....but that was 9 years ago when he wasn't good
Scutaro.......FA....not a big name and contract
Yuke............home grown
Crawford.....FA....yes spent a lot on him
Reddick.........home grown
catcher position... Varitec ...a minor league trade and Salty also minor league trade

Lowerie.....home grown
Avilia.........trade
McDonell.....minor league trade
Drew.........waste of Money

so they really don't spend a whole lot outside the organization on position players

Starting pitching
Lester is Home grown
Buchholtz is home grown
Lackey....waste of money
Dice -K...hasn't pitched in 2 years....waste of money
Wakefield was a trade 17 years ago
Beckett was a trade fror some guy named Hanley Ramirez

i guess i don't see where they buy players....they have the resourses to keep there players

haha.....would of got the same production but , entertaining in the club house!!

Going to Phillies/St. Louis game Saturday.
Roy Halladay against "it don't matter". Roy wants a ring so bad he can taste it.

GO PHILLIES

Wino you know wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Wino you know wrote:So are we celebrating the Yankees huge loss tonight?

I turned the game off when it was 7-0. MLB Network was showing the 9th inning of the Red Sox-Orioles game and when Papelbon struck out the first 2 batters I figured the game was over so I turned that off too. I missed all the fun.

Wasn't the Red Sox gag job, and the Braves too BTW, worse than the Mets in 2007? They only blew a 7 game lead, I think the Red Sox and the Braves both had bigger leads in the wild card races.

Red Sox had something like a 9 game lead on Sept. 1st, and I believe the Braves had an 8.5 game lead on Sept. 4th.
As Yogi once said, "It ain't over 'til it's over."

I remember way back at the All Star break when the talking heads on ESPN told us Boston would win the World Series and no one could stop them.

Tequila Revenge wrote:

Wino you know wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Wino you know wrote:So are we celebrating the Yankees huge loss tonight?

I turned the game off when it was 7-0. MLB Network was showing the 9th inning of the Red Sox-Orioles game and when Papelbon struck out the first 2 batters I figured the game was over so I turned that off too. I missed all the fun.

Wasn't the Red Sox gag job, and the Braves too BTW, worse than the Mets in 2007? They only blew a 7 game lead, I think the Red Sox and the Braves both had bigger leads in the wild card races.

Red Sox had something like a 9 game lead on Sept. 1st, and I believe the Braves had an 8.5 game lead on Sept. 4th.
As Yogi once said, "It ain't over 'til it's over."

I remember way back at the All Star break when the talking heads on ESPN told us Boston would win the World Series and no one could stop them.

They forgot to say except for themselves.

Ken Rosenthal of Fox News reports that Francona is no longer going to be the manager for the Sox.

Think maybe Jimmy needs to schedule another concert at Fenway.......

The Bosox did pretty well the last time he visited, right?????

Bfan53again wrote:Think maybe Jimmy needs to schedule another concert at Fenway.......

The Bosox did pretty well the last time he visited, right?????

No tailgating though.... but then again, other venues are going that route too.

aeroparrot wrote:

Bfan53again wrote:Think maybe Jimmy needs to schedule another concert at Fenway.......

The Bosox did pretty well the last time he visited, right?????

No tailgating though.... but then again, other venues are going that route too.

aeroparrot wrote:Ken Rosenthal of Fox News reports that Francona is no longer going to be the manager for the Sox.

Seriously?!

aeroparrot wrote:Ken Rosenthal of Fox News reports that Francona is no longer going to be the manager for the Sox.

That's really sad.
YES IT IS, DAMMIT!
With the exception of that very last game, I sincerely hope Red Sox fans will look back on the Francona years as happy ones.

aeroparrot wrote:Ken Rosenthal of Fox News reports that Francona is no longer going to be the manager for the Sox.

WFAN, the sports talk station here in NY, interviewed a sportswriter from Boston yesterday afternoon, I think his name was Shaughnessey. He said he thought either Francona or Epstein would be gone "sooner rather than later."

LIPH wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:Ken Rosenthal of Fox News reports that Francona is no longer going to be the manager for the Sox.

WFAN, the sports talk station here in NY, interviewed a sportswriter from Boston yesterday afternoon, I think his name was Shaughnessey. He said he thought either Francona or Epstein would be gone "sooner rather than later."

The same guy that said the Sox would live to play another day and the Rays were done the other night.. They were down 7-0 at the time.
His credibility is probably pretty low at the moment.

LIPH wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:Ken Rosenthal of Fox News reports that Francona is no longer going to be the manager for the Sox.

WFAN, the sports talk station here in NY, interviewed a sportswriter from Boston yesterday afternoon, I think his name was Shaughnessey. He said he thought either Francona or Epstein would be gone "sooner rather than later."

i was watching Dennis and Callahan ( WWEI in Boston ).....They are saying from sources that Francona will ask for his options not to be picked up.....hearing some of the other things that went on , pitchers drinking beer during the games they aren't pitching and Kevin Yukilias being a problem in the club house....i guess it has ran it's course with Francona in Boston....to bad , i don't think he is the problem...i don't know if the Sox choked or just quit.....there will be a lot of changes i think in the off season for them....Drew will be out , Lowerie ( to soft a player ) will be gone , Youkilias gone , Lackey Gone ( somehow ) , Varitec Gone , Wakefield Gone. Ortiz i'm hoping he stays , but he could be gone too. Go to Bostondirtdogs.com for more info....it's a great site and sometimes pretty funny.

Those poor Red Sox...how did the Rays manage to beat them out? And when I mentioned about buying a World Series...it's not just free agents but the ability to retain your own players.
The Yankees/Red Sox they are both the same but one franchise just happens to be far more successful at buying Championships than the other.
And to suggest that the luxury tax levels the playing field...pure hogwash.

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/ ... aries/team

Cheers
Wiscoleeds

1951 Dodgers
1962 Dodgers
1964 Phillies
1969 Cubs
1978 Red Sox

All of those teams, and I'm sure several others, blew huge August & September leads, and in all instances, the manager and nearly all front-line players were back the following year.
(Same with the 2004 Yankees in the A.L.C.S. after having a 3 games to none lead over the Red Sox).

No, I don't cheer for the Red Sox, but, although it may be unrealistic to expect Varitek to come back, it would, I.M.O., be sad if the others weren't able to come back and try again. I really don't think any of them are washed up as players.
Me being as old as I am and being around for as long as I have been, I guess I'm just too much of a baseball purist. AHHH, for the good ol' days of baseball's truly golden era.

wiscoleeds wrote:Those poor Red Sox...how did the Rays manage to beat them out? And when I mentioned about buying a World Series...it's not just free agents but the ability to retain your own players.
The Yankees/Red Sox they are both the same but one franchise just happens to be far more successful at buying Championships than the other.
And to suggest that the luxury tax levels the playing field...pure hogwash.

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/ ... aries/team

Cheers
Wiscoleeds

The Red Sox quit , plane and simple ....... no leaders on that team..... people can say what they want about the "IDIOTS" , but , they played hard and had each others back....is it the Red Sox fault they develope some pretty good talent and lock them up to long term contracts....other teams could do the same ....Tampa did it with Longoria.....you tell me a team like Baltimore couldn't spend money....they had a gold mine of a stadium when it 1st opened...they choose not to spend the money....and the luxury tax is suppose to be used to spend on players...not to put into there pocket.....blame the owners....winning brings fans ( except Chicago..they always draw)....fans bring in money ..also winning gets you better TV deals....maybe the owners should market themselves better instead of using losing as a tax write off.....money gives you a better team.....Boston plays in one of the smallest parks in Baseball and isn't in the top 3 or 4 markets ...New York , Chicago , LA , Miami and i believe Dallas are bigger