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phjrsaunt wrote:

urlcenter wrote:One of the reasons for the new no tailgating rule was a fatal accident after a Rascal Flatts show. The article on the homepage of BN has the details.

okay. there was in fact a fatal accident after a Buffett show at Nissan/JLL a year so ago. Is this the answer to the question "how many people have to die before they impose a no tailgating rule?" I'm sorry. Actually, no I'm not. This is stupid. I've been to Buffett shows before and not had a drop of alchohol and had super time. But when someone removes the option for me to make a decision about my own activities when I'm paying a LOT (for me) of money it p*** me off. Auntie gives this action from JLL a rare " " face.

Don't worry Auntie you can make up for it in Cincy

Oh, believe me, I more than made up for it in Raleigh and I can do it again. I'm a grown woman who manages to keep the roof over my head all by myself and I will not have someone make the decisions "for me." I have the right to misbehave if I want to; it's like, in the Constitution or something, fer sher.

phjrsaunt wrote:

urlcenter wrote:One of the reasons for the new no tailgating rule was a fatal accident after a Rascal Flatts show. The article on the homepage of BN has the details.

okay. there was in fact a fatal accident after a Buffett show at Nissan/JLL a year so ago. Is this the answer to the question "how many people have to die before they impose a no tailgating rule?" I'm sorry. Actually, no I'm not. This is stupid. I've been to Buffett shows before and not had a drop of alchohol and had super time. But when someone removes the option for me to make a decision about my own activities when I'm paying a LOT (for me) of money it p*** me off. Auntie gives this action from JLL a rare " " face.

You can make all the decisions you want and drink all you want and do whatever you want on your on property . . . as I am quite aware you know. But when you say, "when someone removes option for me . . . " you are wrong. You never had the option . . . legally. The ticket doesn't pay for your right to drink on someone else's property. It never did. Lots of Parrotheads think that is the reason why Jimmy Buffett charges huge amounts for sh*t seats. He doesn't give a rats as$ about your tailgating and he never has; other than the fact that more people go to his shows because of the party atmosphere. Open containers in parking lots is illegal. It always has been. And this is true at almost every venue where Jimmy Buffett plays.

It's one thing to 'enforce' the alcohol law as they have done in the past... it's quite another to say we can't sit in the lot under a pop-up tent and socialize. That, my friends, is complete and utter BS and not worth buying a ticket.

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I worry that a decision like this will spread to other venues especially since this one is owned by the entity that sells tickets to the other venues. If it's a liability issue aren't they worried about these other venues exposing them to litigation too?

drunkpirate66 wrote:

phjrsaunt wrote:

urlcenter wrote:One of the reasons for the new no tailgating rule was a fatal accident after a Rascal Flatts show. The article on the homepage of BN has the details.

okay. there was in fact a fatal accident after a Buffett show at Nissan/JLL a year so ago. Is this the answer to the question "how many people have to die before they impose a no tailgating rule?" I'm sorry. Actually, no I'm not. This is stupid. I've been to Buffett shows before and not had a drop of alchohol and had super time. But when someone removes the option for me to make a decision about my own activities when I'm paying a LOT (for me) of money it p*** me off. Auntie gives this action from JLL a rare " " face.

You can make all the decisions you want and drink all you want and do whatever you want on your on property . . . as I am quite aware you know. But when you say, "when someone removes option for me . . . " you are wrong. You never had the option . . . legally. The ticket doesn't pay for your right to drink on someone else's property. It never did. Lots of Parrotheads think that is the reason why Jimmy Buffett charges huge amounts for sh*t seats. He doesn't give a rats as$ about your tailgating and he never has; other than the fact that more people go to his shows because of the party atmosphere. Open containers in parking lots is illegal. It always has been. And this is true at almost every venue where Jimmy Buffett plays.

Jon is right - there are signs all over the place at GW prohibiting alcohol. We're probably lucky that venues have looked the other way as long as they have. I agree to not allow pop-ups (especially when it's a very hot day) grills and games etc is just stupid but as far as alcohol goes the rules have always been in place.

In 07, Jimmy played Minute Maid Park in downtown Houston. There was to be no tailgating at all. Phritz and I organized a tailgate anyway. We rented out one of the parking lots close to the park. Everyone chipped in to cover the cost of the lot, cops to monitor who got in and out, etc. Phritz made sure we were cool with the Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission - everyone had a wristband and if they were under 21, they had a different wristband. A lot more went on behind the scenes to make sure we were good with the city too.

Everyone had a grand time. I will never forget to look on the people who were working at Specs when we drove up in the UHaul.
A few weeks before the show, the venue decided to open a lot to tailgating. I think it was $50 a car.

I don't know if the Lube is located where you could do something like this but if you are interested in the specifics, let me know.

The Woodlands has a way to go with tailgating. It is a major step for them to even allow it. That community is so "uppity" they need to learn to relax and have a good time.

I have been to a few shows at Nissan, as well as other venues. The past couple of times I've been to Bristow, the people on the lawn near us were total idiots (urinating right beside us, vomiting, etc...). My wife and I swore we'd never go back there to see another Buffett show, and we haven't. Maybe that's why they are shutting down the tailgate. That said, I think half of the fun at a Buffett show is the tailgating, as long as you can tailgate responsibly. I never get falling down drunk, I always have a DD, and try to respect my fellow parrotheads. So, for us, this is another nail in the coffin for the Nissan Pavilion venue.

Although I have limited experience w/ this venue. Prince William County's finest are not below policing an entire event. Just sayin'.

Docktails at 5 wrote:I have been to a few shows at Nissan, as well as other venues. The past couple of times I've been to Bristow, the people on the lawn near us were total idiots (urinating right beside us, vomiting, etc...). My wife and I swore we'd never go back there to see another Buffett show, and we haven't. Maybe that's why they are shutting down the tailgate. That said, I think half of the fun at a Buffett show is the tailgating, as long as you can tailgate responsibly. I never get falling down drunk, I always have a DD, and try to respect my fellow parrotheads. So, for us, this is another nail in the coffin for the Nissan Pavilion venue.

And you have just described why I never buy lawn seats anywhere.

txaggirl91 wrote:In 07, Jimmy played Minute Maid Park in downtown Houston. There was to be no tailgating at all. Phritz and I organized a tailgate anyway. We rented out one of the parking lots close to the park. Everyone chipped in to cover the cost of the lot, cops to monitor who got in and out, etc. Phritz made sure we were cool with the Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission - everyone had a wristband and if they were under 21, they had a different wristband. A lot more went on behind the scenes to make sure we were good with the city too.

Everyone had a grand time. I will never forget to look on the people who were working at Specs when we drove up in the UHaul.
A few weeks before the show, the venue decided to open a lot to tailgating. I think it was $50 a car.

I don't know if the Lube is located where you could do something like this but if you are interested in the specifics, let me know.

The Woodlands has a way to go with tailgating. It is a major step for them to even allow it. That community is so "uppity" they need to learn to relax and have a good time.

what is this "Spec's" of which you speak?

I believe our club will form an alternate plan, tailgating elsewhere, with a bus bringing members in and out of the venue. We're not going to Bristow for various reasons but this convinces us we made the right decision. We'll probably travel to a different venue to see friends. : )

Part of the statement from JLL says "not to woory Parrotheads...we have 8 dollar beer and 13 dollar margaritas available in the venue"....no thanks!

Carolinadreamin' wrote:I believe our club will form an alternate plan, tailgating elsewhere, with a bus bringing members in and out of the venue. We're not going to Bristow for various reasons but this convinces us we made the right decision. We'll probably travel to a different venue to see friends. : )

Part of the statement from JLL says "not to woory Parrotheads...we have 8 dollar beer and 13 dollar margaritas available in the venue"....no thanks!

that is just so thoughtful of them, bless their little hearts...

I've been to Nissan/Lube/whatever it is a couple of times. I can honestly say I have been appalled at the amount of trash left behind after the sho. The first year we went, a group of people brought their living room furniture and set it up under the trees. It was there when we left. I've seen huge piles of trash, homemade & camping style porta potties, tents; it's just mind boggling at what people trash there and leave behind. Maybe the venue is trying to cut down in the huge piles of trash that left behind for the Buffett shows there.

RinglingRingling wrote:

txaggirl91 wrote:In 07, Jimmy played Minute Maid Park in downtown Houston. There was to be no tailgating at all. Phritz and I organized a tailgate anyway. We rented out one of the parking lots close to the park. Everyone chipped in to cover the cost of the lot, cops to monitor who got in and out, etc. Phritz made sure we were cool with the Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission - everyone had a wristband and if they were under 21, they had a different wristband. A lot more went on behind the scenes to make sure we were good with the city too.

Everyone had a grand time. I will never forget to look on the people who were working at Specs when we drove up in the UHaul.
A few weeks before the show, the venue decided to open a lot to tailgating. I think it was $50 a car.

I don't know if the Lube is located where you could do something like this but if you are interested in the specifics, let me know.

The Woodlands has a way to go with tailgating. It is a major step for them to even allow it. That community is so "uppity" they need to learn to relax and have a good time.

what is this "Spec's" of which you speak?

Liquor store.

springparrot wrote:NO TAILGATING is what The Woodlands has been dealing with since the opening of the Pavilion.
Only for the last 2 years have they allowed it.
No tailgating didn't stop JB for coming back for many years.

If there is no tailgating, people won't like it, but they will get over it.

I will not *get over it*. I just won't go in the future.

surfpirate wrote:

springparrot wrote:NO TAILGATING is what The Woodlands has been dealing with since the opening of the Pavilion.
Only for the last 2 years have they allowed it.
No tailgating didn't stop JB for coming back for many years.

If there is no tailgating, people won't like it, but they will get over it.

I will not *get over it*. I just won't go in the future.

But they are now tailgating.
Is it the same set up we have in Frisco?
Nope and it never will, but I had a great day with a terrific group of women in the parking lot this year

txaggirl91 wrote:In 07, Jimmy played Minute Maid Park in downtown Houston. There was to be no tailgating at all. Phritz and I organized a tailgate anyway. We rented out one of the parking lots close to the park. Everyone chipped in to cover the cost of the lot, cops to monitor who got in and out, etc. Phritz made sure we were cool with the Texas Alcohol and Beverage Commission - everyone had a wristband and if they were under 21, they had a different wristband. A lot more went on behind the scenes to make sure we were good with the city too.

Everyone had a grand time. I will never forget to look on the people who were working at Specs when we drove up in the UHaul.
A few weeks before the show, the venue decided to open a lot to tailgating. I think it was $50 a car.

I don't know if the Lube is located where you could do something like this but if you are interested in the specifics, let me know.

The Woodlands has a way to go with tailgating. It is a major step for them to even allow it. That community is so "uppity" they need to learn to relax and have a good time.

and that Houston tailgate was awesome!!!!

springparrot wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

springparrot wrote:NO TAILGATING is what The Woodlands has been dealing with since the opening of the Pavilion.
Only for the last 2 years have they allowed it.
No tailgating didn't stop JB for coming back for many years.

If there is no tailgating, people won't like it, but they will get over it.

I will not *get over it*. I just won't go in the future.

But they are now tailgating.
Is it the same set up we have in Frisco?
Nope and it never will, but I had a great day with a terrific group of women in the parking lot this year

I will not waste my time and dollars at Jiffy Lube going forward if this policy remains in place. I will redirect my time and dollars into other *more sane policy* venues and other trip rock events. Jiffy Lube live will not receive my business. I have too many other options.

surfpirate wrote:

springparrot wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

springparrot wrote:NO TAILGATING is what The Woodlands has been dealing with since the opening of the Pavilion.
Only for the last 2 years have they allowed it.
No tailgating didn't stop JB for coming back for many years.

If there is no tailgating, people won't like it, but they will get over it.

I will not *get over it*. I just won't go in the future.

But they are now tailgating.
Is it the same set up we have in Frisco?
Nope and it never will, but I had a great day with a terrific group of women in the parking lot this year

I will not waste my time and dollars at Jiffy Lube going forward if this policy remains in place. I will redirect my time and dollars into other *more sane policy* venues and other trip rock events. Jiffy Lube live will not receive my business. I have too many other options.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood...since you quoted me, I thought you were talking about The Woodlands show

RinglingRingling wrote:

what is this "Spec's" of which you speak?

Mecca!