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Bfan53again wrote:

LIPH wrote:Some people have said either Jimmy Buffett or someone in his organization should comment on this. Why? I don't know the details of his agreements with the various venues where he performs but I imagine his contract requires him to perform a concert on a specific date at a specific time. In return, the promoter agrees to pay him a set fee. I've always felt, and still do, as long as the promoter agrees to pay him his fee, he doesn't give a s*** about tailgate or no tailgate. If he did, he would never play Madison Square Garden. Not that it has a no tailgating policy, it's in the middle of NYC and there's no place to have a tailgate.

I can't imagine that somewhere in JB's agreement for the 2011 show with JLL this "new policy" was not included. But, after 40 years of his promoting the pre-concert tailgates and the "Margaritaville experience" (wonder where the M-ville bus will go?), I disagree that JB doesn't owe us, his fans, an explanation. I'd just appreciate his saying that he's acknowledges that we all spent our hard earned dollars for a day-long gathering that we've come to expect and now won't happen. I'd respect him more if he came out and told JLL that this show will be his last there.

But, you may be right. He may truly not care about us or this situation. If so, then maybe my concert days with Mr. Buffett are really over......

As someone who has been around for the 40 some odd years, I can honestly say he was not promoting the tailgate experience in the beginning of his career, in fact it really didn't get into full swing in certain parts of the country until the 90's. I've also said for several years that he doesn't care about the fans as much anymore, but rather the profits.

Let's face it - some venues simply do not allow tailgating and no matter how much complaining is done, there's not a lot that we (or Jimmy) can do about it. Sure Buffett can decide to not play there again but then you'd also have people complaining about that as well. Just be glad that he plays in your area on a regular basis. Some areas are lucky to get 1 concert every 10 or so years.

Rogers said the policy was posted on Jiffy Lube Live’s Web site months ago, before tickets for the season went on sale. But because most fans wait for weather to get warm before they buy ice for their coolers, the controversy is just now starting to flare.

so it was on their site before tickets when on sale?

i gotta ask . what makes Jimmy any different then any other entertainer at a venue . Most, if not all have tailgating ....The lots open when they open. i think the venue operators do us a favor by opening early . we should be grateful for that. It's the venues who decide on the times. Jimmy doesn't have a say . if he did have it in a contract , wouldn't the venue want him to sign something to be liable if anyone gets hurt or god forbid killed. Hey i love the tailgating and meeting up with friends old and new , but , if they didn't have tailgating , i'm sure we would find or create a tailgate , Parrotheads can be pretty creative.

Molly - there is a difference between it being posted on the venue's site and live nation. I know I don't check the venue's site before buying tickets.

The offer still stands. If you can find a different spot near the venue, like a parking lot, I will be happy to share with you how we pulled off the 07 Houston tailgate.

txaggirl91 wrote:Molly - there is a difference between it being posted on the venue's site and live nation. I know I don't check the venue's site before buying tickets.

The offer still stands. If you can find a different spot near the venue, like a parking lot, I will be happy to share with you how we pulled off the 07 Houston tailgate.

Yes, I know, but it wasn't hidden.
The info was in print---I guess they think since the info was there, even not in a place normally seen, it wasn't 'hidden'?

There should have also been something on Live Nation where they talk about what you can and can't do.

txaggirl91 wrote:Molly - there is a difference between it being posted on the venue's site and live nation. I know I don't check the venue's site before buying tickets.

The offer still stands. If you can find a different spot near the venue, like a parking lot, I will be happy to share with you how we pulled off the 07 Houston tailgate.

I don't think I have ever done that before I purchase concert tickets, and I have been going to concerts for about 30 years. Nor would I think a policy would be changing abruptly.

txaggirl91 wrote:Molly - there is a difference between it being posted on the venue's site and live nation. I know I don't check the venue's site before buying tickets.

The offer still stands. If you can find a different spot near the venue, like a parking lot, I will be happy to share with you how we pulled off the 07 Houston tailgate.

It's on live nation's ticket site now. Wonder if it was back then and everyone missed it because it's kinda hidden in the "General Rules" section. http://www.livenation.com/Jiffy-Lube-Li ... nue/172099

LIPH wrote:

Bfan53again wrote: ... I disagree that JB doesn't owe us, his fans, an explanation. I'd just appreciate his saying that he's acknowledges that we all spent our hard earned dollars for a day-long gathering that we've come to expect and now won't happen.

People have said things like this over the years and I never understood it. When I lay down my money for a concert ticket, I'm entitled to one thing - admission to the concert. Nothing else. Jimmy buffett doesn't owe me anything other than the best performance he can give the night of the concert.

Last year, I hammered JB on this site when the concert dates went up on M-ville.com and then disappeared without explanation. Now I'll defend him on this issue. LIPH is 100% correct; our "contract" (ticket) with JB entitles us to a great show - nothing else. Sure, the tailgate is nice, and I know a JB tailgate is part of most folks' total concert experience (including me); but that's not what you explicitly paid for. You paid for a rock concert.

We go through a similiar argument on a Rush site I frequent (bear with me, I know linking Rush with JB can be a stretch...) Neil Peart (the drummer, for those who don't know), is notorious in Rush fan circles for avoiding contact with fans (I won't go into it any further here, it would take too long), and as a result, Geddy and Alex (bass and guitar) do the meet and greets and 99.99999% of their public appearances. There is a contigent of fans who think Neil "owes" them more since they've spent their $ on tickets, albums, etc. My feelings are the same with both Rush and Jimmy - the only thing you're owed is what you explicitly paid money for - an album, a concert, a DVD, etc. Anything else is just gravy.

In a perfect world, JB knows about the tailgate situation, but to expect him to do/say anything now that contracts are paid is pretty unrealistic - I think we've all known for quite some time that his business acumen has definitely increased over the past decade. And in a really perfect world, maybe he'll take this procedure into effect next year when scheduling concerts. But I wouldn't hold my breath - lotta money on the table. But one can hope.....

Fire away, I can take it....

ph4ever wrote:

txaggirl91 wrote:Molly - there is a difference between it being posted on the venue's site and live nation. I know I don't check the venue's site before buying tickets.

The offer still stands. If you can find a different spot near the venue, like a parking lot, I will be happy to share with you how we pulled off the 07 Houston tailgate.

It's on live nation's ticket site now. Wonder if it was back then and everyone missed it because it's kinda hidden in the "General Rules" section. http://www.livenation.com/Jiffy-Lube-Li ... nue/172099

I would venture to guess that the venue website has ALWAYS (for years) said something to this effect as a CYA policy.

Big diff this year is that they have decided on an abrupt change of policy to ENFORCE it and
are falling back on a lame small print "this has been posted on our website for months" explanation.

Trust me ...... I have seen Jimmy 20+ times at Nissan/Lube as well as other shows. The signs "NO ALCOHOL" have been
all around the parking lots for years ...... the websites probably said the same thing. The diff? Up until now it has been
an understanding that tailgating was permitted and the lots would open mid-day.

Only AFTER I purchased my tickets did the words NO TAILGATING hit me in the face as printed on the tickets (a first).
If this had been publicized earlier (not just small print) .... I would not have purchased my tickets.

THAT's my beef.

PeretHed66 wrote:

LIPH wrote:

Bfan53again wrote: ... I disagree that JB doesn't owe us, his fans, an explanation. I'd just appreciate his saying that he's acknowledges that we all spent our hard earned dollars for a day-long gathering that we've come to expect and now won't happen.

People have said things like this over the years and I never understood it. When I lay down my money for a concert ticket, I'm entitled to one thing - admission to the concert. Nothing else. Jimmy buffett doesn't owe me anything other than the best performance he can give the night of the concert.

Last year, I hammered JB on this site when the concert dates went up on M-ville.com and then disappeared without explanation. Now I'll defend him on this issue. LIPH is 100% correct; our "contract" (ticket) with JB entitles us to a great show - nothing else. Sure, the tailgate is nice, and I know a JB tailgate is part of most folks' total concert experience (including me); but that's not what you explicitly paid for. You paid for a rock concert.

We go through a similiar argument on a Rush site I frequent (bear with me, I know linking Rush with JB can be a stretch...) Neil Peart (the drummer, for those who don't know), is notorious in Rush fan circles for avoiding contact with fans (I won't go into it any further here, it would take too long), and as a result, Geddy and Alex (bass and guitar) do the meet and greets and 99.99999% of their public appearances. There is a contigent of fans who think Neil "owes" them more since they've spent their $ on tickets, albums, etc. My feelings are the same with both Rush and Jimmy - the only thing you're owed is what you explicitly paid money for - an album, a concert, a DVD, etc. Anything else is just gravy.

In a perfect world, JB knows about the tailgate situation, but to expect him to do/say anything now that contracts are paid is pretty unrealistic - I think we've all known for quite some time that his business acumen has definitely increased over the past decade. And in a really perfect world, maybe he'll take this procedure into effect next year when scheduling concerts. But I wouldn't hold my breath - lotta money on the table. But one can hope.....

Fire away, I can take it....

I will agree with Larry (did I just type that?!?!) and you to some degree. We all buy a ticket for the concert...the ticket says Jimmy Buffett, it doesn't say "Jimmy Buffett and the parking lot 9 hours before the show starts." But I would imagine the issue is with how the rules changed. Was it something that was well publicized? Did upper management make this announcement public before tickets started going on sale, regardless of what the website says. I usually go to a website for validation of a fact, not before. If I order take out from Applebee's, I don't check the website daily for changes...why waste my time.

People have been flocking to Nissan/JL for years, and it has been status quo for years. Why expect things to be different? There was no reason to doubt it. All of a sudden, it has changed. I have been driving the same way to work for 2 years. if I wake up tomorrow, and all of a sudden the road I always travel is gone, I am going to be ticked. We all all talk about what we are going to drink, eat, and socialize about at our upcoming shows. Say what you will, but for most, drinking is part of the socializing. This concert ticket is the price we pay for the concert but we also pay the price for the family gathering beforehand. If it wasn't for the fun before the show, I certainly wouldn't plunk down $175/ticket. Last year, we couldn't get into GW until 2-3pm. I felt ripped off.

With this economy and the gas prices, it is all about money well spent. If someone told me that the $175 price tag would allow me to get into the venue 3 hours early, and I couldn't drink, eat, socialize and put a tent up, I would say no to that. Sorry, I really can't think of anyone that is worth that price for 2 1/2 hours of entertainment.

surfpirate wrote:

ph4ever wrote:

txaggirl91 wrote:Molly - there is a difference between it being posted on the venue's site and live nation. I know I don't check the venue's site before buying tickets.

The offer still stands. If you can find a different spot near the venue, like a parking lot, I will be happy to share with you how we pulled off the 07 Houston tailgate.

It's on live nation's ticket site now. Wonder if it was back then and everyone missed it because it's kinda hidden in the "General Rules" section. http://www.livenation.com/Jiffy-Lube-Li ... nue/172099

I would venture to guess that the venue website has ALWAYS (for years) said something to this effect as a CYA policy.

Big diff this year is that they have decided on an abrupt change of policy to ENFORCE it and
are falling back on a lame small print "this has been posted on our website for months" explanation.

Exactly!

We all have our opinions (some of you more than others) and I respect that.

For me, I have come to expect the all-day party that a Buffett show brings. And it's the friendships, not the alcohol, that I enjoy most. Bristow has been convenient for me, the closest venue JB plays to my home (still about 2 hours away). Without tailgating here I now exercise my right to stop attending Buffett shows from this point on. Look at the bright side, I'll be one less person trying to get tickets every year.....

Come to think of it, I guess I have little need for BN now either......

Bfan53again wrote:We all have our opinions (some of you more than others) and I respect that.

For me, I have come to expect the all-day party that a Buffett show brings. And it's the friendships, not the alcohol, that I enjoy most. Bristow has been convenient for me, the closest venue JB plays to my home (still about 2 hours away). Without tailgating here I now exercise my right to stop attending Buffett shows from this point on. Look at the bright side, I'll be one less person trying to get tickets every year.....

Come to think of it, I guess I have little need for BN now either......

These two comments are in direct conflict with one another dude.

Bfan53again wrote:We all have our opinions (some of you more than others) and I respect that.

For me, I have come to expect the all-day party that a Buffett show brings. And it's the friendships, not the alcohol, that I enjoy most. Bristow has been convenient for me, the closest venue JB plays to my home (still about 2 hours away). Without tailgating here I now exercise my right to stop attending Buffett shows from this point on. Look at the bright side, I'll be one less person trying to get tickets every year.....

Come to think of it, I guess I have little need for BN now either......

How we gonna plan our sailing trip if you leave BN?? If Jimmy stopped playing tomorrow, I would still want this site to continue because I have a lot of friends here.
Concerts, tailgates or no...there are a lot of people here I care about. I hope you aren't serious about leaving us. Besides I rely on you keeping the critter forum close to the top

Hugs!

springparrot wrote:

txaggirl91 wrote:Molly - there is a difference between it being posted on the venue's site and live nation. I know I don't check the venue's site before buying tickets.

The offer still stands. If you can find a different spot near the venue, like a parking lot, I will be happy to share with you how we pulled off the 07 Houston tailgate.

Yes, I know, but it wasn't hidden.
The info was in print---I guess they think since the info was there, even not in a place normally seen, it wasn't 'hidden'?

Attorneys operate under this premise during disclosure too. Dump 20 cubic yards of paper on the opposition in hopes that the one piece they need will get lost in the blizzard. Technically and legally it is correct, but so is posting notice of a zoning hearing on a bulletin board in an obscure, poorly-visible corner of the courthouse/public hall

I've been going to Bristow for 10 years and I live 20-25 mins away. Yes, we tailgate because we're parrotheads but I think this is more about the fact that there is a one lane road leading in and out of this venue. There is no way in he!! that the current road could handle roughly 15,000 cars in 2 hours. They would need to be parking cars in seconds. The parking attendants are teenagers with very little OJT.

JLL can say all they want that it's been posted on the website for a while. But when, for the first time ever, tickets show up with "NO Tailgating Allowed" printed on them, folks are going to say WTF? The venue now tells everyone gates will open 2 hours from the start of the concert. That's the reason people with tickets now feel "had". They paid their money for an experience at Bristow that they have enjoyed for years past and expected this year also.

I don't blame Jimmy. I don't think it's his problem except to note that the policy has changed at JLL and his fan base may elect to have a different "Jimmy Buffett concert experience" then the one now offered at JLL. He created the epic tailgates (videos on the big screen, Margarilla, RM in the parking lot) and now parrotheads expect them at a lot of venues. I guess he'll see what ticket sales do because it really is just business.

Carolinadreamin' wrote:I've been going to Bristow for 10 years and I live 20-25 mins away. Yes, we tailgate because we're parrotheads but I think this is more about the fact that there is a one lane road leading in and out of this venue. There is no way in he!! that the current road could handle roughly 15,000 cars in 2 hours. They would need to be parking cars in seconds. The parking attendants are teenagers with very little OJT.

JLL can say all they want that it's been posted on the website for a while. But when, for the first time ever, tickets show up with "NO Tailgating Allowed" printed on them, folks are going to say WTF? The venue now tells everyone gates will open 2 hours from the start of the concert. That's the reason people with tickets now feel "had". They paid their money for an experience at Bristow that they have enjoyed for years past and expected this year also.

I don't blame Jimmy. I don't think it's his problem except to note that the policy has changed at JLL and his fan base may elect to have a different "Jimmy Buffett concert experience" then the one now offered at JLL. He created the epic tailgates (videos on the big screen, Margarilla, RM in the parking lot) and now parrotheads expect them at a lot of venues. I guess he'll see what ticket sales do because it really is just business.

Linda, I'm thinking they're going to really regret this when they have the first concert where there are still cars out in the street when the concert starts. Morons.

ScarletB wrote:

Carolinadreamin' wrote:I've been going to Bristow for 10 years and I live 20-25 mins away. Yes, we tailgate because we're parrotheads but I think this is more about the fact that there is a one lane road leading in and out of this venue. There is no way in he!! that the current road could handle roughly 15,000 cars in 2 hours. They would need to be parking cars in seconds. The parking attendants are teenagers with very little OJT.

JLL can say all they want that it's been posted on the website for a while. But when, for the first time ever, tickets show up with "NO Tailgating Allowed" printed on them, folks are going to say WTF? The venue now tells everyone gates will open 2 hours from the start of the concert. That's the reason people with tickets now feel "had". They paid their money for an experience at Bristow that they have enjoyed for years past and expected this year also.

I don't blame Jimmy. I don't think it's his problem except to note that the policy has changed at JLL and his fan base may elect to have a different "Jimmy Buffett concert experience" then the one now offered at JLL. He created the epic tailgates (videos on the big screen, Margarilla, RM in the parking lot) and now parrotheads expect them at a lot of venues. I guess he'll see what ticket sales do because it really is just business.

Linda, I'm thinking they're going to really regret this when they have the first concert where there are still cars out in the street when the concert starts. Morons.

A sold out WMZQ Fest this weekend will be interesting to witness from the sidelines.....

Carolinadreamin' wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

Carolinadreamin' wrote:I've been going to Bristow for 10 years and I live 20-25 mins away. Yes, we tailgate because we're parrotheads but I think this is more about the fact that there is a one lane road leading in and out of this venue. There is no way in he!! that the current road could handle roughly 15,000 cars in 2 hours. They would need to be parking cars in seconds. The parking attendants are teenagers with very little OJT.

JLL can say all they want that it's been posted on the website for a while. But when, for the first time ever, tickets show up with "NO Tailgating Allowed" printed on them, folks are going to say WTF? The venue now tells everyone gates will open 2 hours from the start of the concert. That's the reason people with tickets now feel "had". They paid their money for an experience at Bristow that they have enjoyed for years past and expected this year also.

I don't blame Jimmy. I don't think it's his problem except to note that the policy has changed at JLL and his fan base may elect to have a different "Jimmy Buffett concert experience" then the one now offered at JLL. He created the epic tailgates (videos on the big screen, Margarilla, RM in the parking lot) and now parrotheads expect them at a lot of venues. I guess he'll see what ticket sales do because it really is just business.

Linda, I'm thinking they're going to really regret this when they have the first concert where there are still cars out in the street when the concert starts. Morons.

A sold out WMZQ Fest this weekend will be interesting to witness from the sidelines.....

Yes it will.