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drunkpirate66 wrote:The title of this thread should be "Life After Live Music." Bands don't tour as much - big venue/stadium shows are becoming a thing of the past. I've mentioned this in other threads but the majority of the big tours are performers over 50 years old (with a few younger acts mixed in for one tour here and there like Taylor Swift is doing this summer).

At Great Woods this year, which used to be slammed with shows on a nightly basis back in the late 1980's and early 1990's (this summer there are only 21 scheduled performances), performances are dominated by old acts: Peter Gabriel, Def Leopard, Soundgarden (all in there 40's and early 50's), Motley Crue, Bob Weir, 311 (in their 40's), Journey, Disturbed (all in late 30's early 40's), Kid Rock who is over 40 now, Phish, Poison, Brad Paisley (turning 40), Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney (at Gillette Stadium) and, yes, Jimmy Buffett. Those who aren't in the 40's are touring as part of Radio Promotions (Chris Brown) or part of the Warped Tour.

I am not saying older acts are bad. I am saying that most younger acts make their money off downloads and can retire after one or two hit singles. The point of touring was, obviously, to promote record sales. No longer. "Touring", atleast massive nation/world wide tours, is a dying animal. Jimmy Buffett will go down as one of the last great touring acts.

ParrotHead67 wrote:I'm new to the message board but have been wondering about this for years. When do you think Jimmy is going to stop touring? I listened on Radio Margaritaville to his Frisco concert and he talked about returning next year. In his book, he mentions maybe 85 but of course that is unrealistic. The other thing I wonder about is if Parrotheads still get together or just disband into the night. I know the day will be coming and am already sick thinking about it. Can't wait to see him in Vegas again this year and I hope it's not the last.

capnbobby wrote:

ParrotHead67 wrote:I'm new to the message board but have been wondering about this for years. When do you think Jimmy is going to stop touring? I listened on Radio Margaritaville to his Frisco concert and he talked about returning next year. In his book, he mentions maybe 85 but of course that is unrealistic. The other thing I wonder about is if Parrotheads still get together or just disband into the night. I know the day will be coming and am already sick thinking about it. Can't wait to see him in Vegas again this year and I hope it's not the last.

Welcome aboard! None of us know how much longer Jimmy's going to tour. I don't think this is the final tour. That would be announced, which I base on Jimmy's relationship with his fans. When Buffett fades away (not yet!), his music will live on. Currently, I have 1.5 days of Buffett's music on my computer, which includes every studio album he's done and most of the live ones. That music has gotten me through the last twenty-five years of my life, and it can surely get me through the next twenty-five. When Jimmy decides to fade away to his one particular harbour, it will be up to you and me, as it is now, to live the lifestyle. That's what draws us to the music, the way that it captures a certain lifestyle. Buy a boat and go find your own one particular harbour. Travel to Key West. (MOTM is six months away. Get registered.) Build a tiki hut in your backyard. Leave work early because you know it's five o'clock somewhere. Live the lifestyle. As long as you and I do that, the music will be alive.

Fins Up
Cap'n Bobby

drunkpirate66 wrote:27 of the top 30 grossing tours of all time are all well over 40 and most are not touring on a regular basis any more. The other 3 (Pink, Britney Spears, and Lady Gaga) have made their fortunes (or in the process) and will not be touring much longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hi ... cert_tours


For 2010 7 of the top 9 tours (Walking with Dinosaurs doesn't count) were comprised of performers 50, 60, 70 + years old: AC DC, u2, Metallica, Paul McCartney, Eagles, Roger Waters . . .

In 2009: U2, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, AC DC, Kenny Chesney, Dave Matthews, Fleetwood Mac, and Metallica out sold almost all acts in their 20's (Lady Gaga and Jonas Brothers).

Touring is dying out because most (not all) young acts don't tour because their money is made through the internet and downloads. The acts who put together massive tours that generate money are, literally, dying.

If younger bands weren't making a enough money to retire from kids downloading their music they WOULD tour. But they don't have to. So what you get are the bands, who became big in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's and not much else. When they stop what do you think will happen?

drunkpirate66 wrote:27 of the top 30 grossing tours of all time are all well over 40 and most are not touring on a regular basis any more. The other 3 (Pink, Britney Spears, and Lady Gaga) have made their fortunes (or in the process) and will not be touring much longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hi ... cert_tours


For 2010 7 of the top 9 tours (Walking with Dinosaurs doesn't count) were comprised of performers 50, 60, 70 + years old: AC DC, u2, Metallica, Paul McCartney, Eagles, Roger Waters . . .

In 2009: U2, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, AC DC, Kenny Chesney, Dave Matthews, Fleetwood Mac, and Metallica out sold almost all acts in their 20's (Lady Gaga and Jonas Brothers).
What does any of this have to do with how much we're all going to miss seeing Jimmy live???
Touring is dying out because most (not all) young acts don't tour because their money is made through the internet and downloads. The acts who put together massive tours that generate money are, literally, dying.

If younger bands weren't making a enough money to retire from kids downloading their music they WOULD tour. But they don't have to. So what you get are the bands, who became big in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's and not much else. When they stop what do you think will happen?

drunkpirate66 wrote:27 of the top 30 grossing tours of all time are all well over 40 and most are not touring on a regular basis any more. The other 3 (Pink, Britney Spears, and Lady Gaga) have made their fortunes (or in the process) and will not be touring much longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hi ... cert_tours


For 2010 7 of the top 9 tours (Walking with Dinosaurs doesn't count) were comprised of performers 50, 60, 70 + years old: AC DC, u2, Metallica, Paul McCartney, Eagles, Roger Waters . . .

In 2009: U2, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, AC DC, Kenny Chesney, Dave Matthews, Fleetwood Mac, and Metallica out sold almost all acts in their 20's (Lady Gaga and Jonas Brothers).
Touring is dying out because most (not all) young acts don't tour because their money is made through the internet and downloads. The acts who put together massive tours that generate money are, literally, dying.

If younger bands weren't making a enough money to retire from kids downloading their music they WOULD tour. But they don't have to. So what you get are the bands, who became big in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's and not much else. When they stop what do you think will happen?

TongaTam wrote:I don't know.. take Dave Mathews! He's totally changed his tour this year and doing more of a festival approach. I think he's playing in what, 4 festivals and doing Gorge and thats it! I mean.. Dave LOVES to play live - its his passion, and even he is changing up.

maid memories wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:27 of the top 30 grossing tours of all time are all well over 40 and most are not touring on a regular basis any more. The other 3 (Pink, Britney Spears, and Lady Gaga) have made their fortunes (or in the process) and will not be touring much longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hi ... cert_tours


For 2010 7 of the top 9 tours (Walking with Dinosaurs doesn't count) were comprised of performers 50, 60, 70 + years old: AC DC, u2, Metallica, Paul McCartney, Eagles, Roger Waters . . .

In 2009: U2, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, AC DC, Kenny Chesney, Dave Matthews, Fleetwood Mac, and Metallica out sold almost all acts in their 20's (Lady Gaga and Jonas Brothers).

Touring is dying out because most (not all) young acts don't tour because their money is made through the internet and downloads. The acts who put together massive tours that generate money are, literally, dying.

If younger bands weren't making a enough money to retire from kids downloading their music they WOULD tour. But they don't have to. So what you get are the bands, who became big in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's and not much else. When they stop what do you think will happen?

A lot of the younger bands (read: Disney side projects) don't tour because they can't actually perform live. One tour is excruciating enough. Touring is not going to die out as long as there are people that love performing. Pink, Lady Gaga, No Doubt, John Mayer...they'll continue to evolve and as long as people will listen to them, they'll be touring. The industry will change and it may die down, but it's not going to die off. Human nature alone dictates that. If somebody said that it's not worth it for you to be out on the water and you could make just as much money sitting on your @$$ and talking about sailing or whatever it is that you love doing, you'd still go out and do it. The venues may get a little smaller and the shows may be less elaborate, but touring is not nearing extinction. Frankly, I prefer smaller venues anyway. Music has been around as long as man and it's only been since the mid-60s that people have regularly been playing these massive shows, right?

With new technology coming out every day, I don't have to go to overcrowded annoying shows like Bonnaroo to see the show anymore. I can stream most of it. The cost outweighs the benefit of going. Touring is just going to have to find a new balance point or give the public something their willing to pay for.

drunkpirate66 wrote:

maid memories wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:27 of the top 30 grossing tours of all time are all well over 40 and most are not touring on a regular basis any more. The other 3 (Pink, Britney Spears, and Lady Gaga) have made their fortunes (or in the process) and will not be touring much longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hi ... cert_tours


For 2010 7 of the top 9 tours (Walking with Dinosaurs doesn't count) were comprised of performers 50, 60, 70 + years old: AC DC, u2, Metallica, Paul McCartney, Eagles, Roger Waters . . .

In 2009: U2, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, AC DC, Kenny Chesney, Dave Matthews, Fleetwood Mac, and Metallica out sold almost all acts in their 20's (Lady Gaga and Jonas Brothers).

Touring is dying out because most (not all) young acts don't tour because their money is made through the internet and downloads. The acts who put together massive tours that generate money are, literally, dying.

If younger bands weren't making a enough money to retire from kids downloading their music they WOULD tour. But they don't have to. So what you get are the bands, who became big in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's and not much else. When they stop what do you think will happen?

A lot of the younger bands (read: Disney side projects) don't tour because they can't actually perform live. One tour is excruciating enough. Touring is not going to die out as long as there are people that love performing. Pink, Lady Gaga, No Doubt, John Mayer...they'll continue to evolve and as long as people will listen to them, they'll be touring. The industry will change and it may die down, but it's not going to die off. Human nature alone dictates that. If somebody said that it's not worth it for you to be out on the water and you could make just as much money sitting on your @$$ and talking about sailing or whatever it is that you love doing, you'd still go out and do it. The venues may get a little smaller and the shows may be less elaborate, but touring is not nearing extinction. Frankly, I prefer smaller venues anyway. Music has been around as long as man and it's only been since the mid-60s that people have regularly been playing these massive shows, right?

With new technology coming out every day, I don't have to go to overcrowded annoying shows like Bonnaroo to see the show anymore. I can stream most of it. The cost outweighs the benefit of going. Touring is just going to have to find a new balance point or give the public something their willing to pay for.

There is my point exactly. Huge tours at large venues and stadiums. Like I said. Places like Great Woods are not long for the Earth, sadly. 311, just to give an example, have barely sold any tickets outside of the front 3 sections. Brad Paisley, much like Jimmy Buffett, can't sell the back sections (that used to be lawn). Done and done.

maid memories wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

maid memories wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:27 of the top 30 grossing tours of all time are all well over 40 and most are not touring on a regular basis any more. The other 3 (Pink, Britney Spears, and Lady Gaga) have made their fortunes (or in the process) and will not be touring much longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hi ... cert_tours


For 2010 7 of the top 9 tours (Walking with Dinosaurs doesn't count) were comprised of performers 50, 60, 70 + years old: AC DC, u2, Metallica, Paul McCartney, Eagles, Roger Waters . . .

In 2009: U2, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, AC DC, Kenny Chesney, Dave Matthews, Fleetwood Mac, and Metallica out sold almost all acts in their 20's (Lady Gaga and Jonas Brothers).

Touring is dying out because most (not all) young acts don't tour because their money is made through the internet and downloads. The acts who put together massive tours that generate money are, literally, dying.

If younger bands weren't making a enough money to retire from kids downloading their music they WOULD tour. But they don't have to. So what you get are the bands, who became big in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's and not much else. When they stop what do you think will happen?

A lot of the younger bands (read: Disney side projects) don't tour because they can't actually perform live. One tour is excruciating enough. Touring is not going to die out as long as there are people that love performing. Pink, Lady Gaga, No Doubt, John Mayer...they'll continue to evolve and as long as people will listen to them, they'll be touring. The industry will change and it may die down, but it's not going to die off. Human nature alone dictates that. If somebody said that it's not worth it for you to be out on the water and you could make just as much money sitting on your @$$ and talking about sailing or whatever it is that you love doing, you'd still go out and do it. The venues may get a little smaller and the shows may be less elaborate, but touring is not nearing extinction. Frankly, I prefer smaller venues anyway. Music has been around as long as man and it's only been since the mid-60s that people have regularly been playing these massive shows, right?

With new technology coming out every day, I don't have to go to overcrowded annoying shows like Bonnaroo to see the show anymore. I can stream most of it. The cost outweighs the benefit of going. Touring is just going to have to find a new balance point or give the public something their willing to pay for.

There is my point exactly. Huge tours at large venues and stadiums. Like I said. Places like Great Woods are not long for the Earth, sadly. 311, just to give an example, have barely sold any tickets outside of the front 3 sections. Brad Paisley, much like Jimmy Buffett, can't sell the back sections (that used to be lawn). Done and done.

How are you riding a bike and typing all of this? Good day, sir.

drunkpirate66 wrote:I'm sitting on my deck nursing a hangover of un-godly proportions waiting for the last of the crew to arrive. It is a blessing from somewhere good that she is late because I might actually make it now . . . at 2, when we were supposed to leave, I would have been f*cked. Much like large-elaborate tours. F*cked.

TongaTam wrote:What!?!? ... what do you mean life after Jimmy? I thought he was an immortal God! no? crap.. well, guess I better start making some plans. Maybe that crazy bast*** that was predicting the end of the world meant this!

ahaha.. ok, actually thats a big reason Chris (c-dawg) and I are putting together festivals in New England. He's not going to tour forever, but we've got such a great group of friends and like minded people, we'll still find a way to get together... it'll be smaller than the GW parking lot, yeah. But you'll still get some of that 'feeling'.

and the more and more I get into Trop Rock, I'm amazed at the talent. Every year the list gets longer, people are doing more than just Buffett covers and what they are creating is magical. Listen to Beachfront Radio and you'll get what I mean.

so.. see you all in Stowe, VT this summer, k?! or hit Spring Phling, Stars on the Water, the New England PH Convention, MotM... the list is huge and getting longer!

Johnny's Lounge wrote:

TongaTam wrote:What!?!? ... what do you mean life after Jimmy? I thought he was an immortal God! no? crap.. well, guess I better start making some plans. Maybe that crazy bast*** that was predicting the end of the world meant this!

ahaha.. ok, actually thats a big reason Chris (c-dawg) and I are putting together festivals in New England. He's not going to tour forever, but we've got such a great group of friends and like minded people, we'll still find a way to get together... it'll be smaller than the GW parking lot, yeah. But you'll still get some of that 'feeling'.

and the more and more I get into Trop Rock, I'm amazed at the talent. Every year the list gets longer, people are doing more than just Buffett covers and what they are creating is magical. Listen to Beachfront Radio and you'll get what I mean.

so.. see you all in Stowe, VT this summer, k?! or hit Spring Phling, Stars on the Water, the New England PH Convention, MotM... the list is huge and getting longer!

When-ish so I don't make other plans?
I definitely want to hear about this. Who might be there? (Jim Morris I hope)

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Lightning Bolt wrote:

LIPH wrote:B(.)(.)BIES

don't you mean....

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maid memories wrote:

Lightning Bolt wrote:

LIPH wrote:B(.)(.)BIES

don't you mean....

B(º)(º)BIES ??

No offense, but if they're up that high, that Dr. needs to be put out of business.