I got a PBS Mind in an MTV World (Pittsburgh Concert/Punks)

[RinglingRingling]

I don't think putting my arms around dumb and dumber were going to make my situation any better. However I'm glad your solution worked for you. It does make everything easier when the other party is receptive to dancing and singing diplomacy.

but a deft, swift pulling of your elbows together, coincidentally knocking their skulls together hard enough they saw stars could have.

My first experience was the lawn at Alpine, and while I was with friends, at half-time a buddy of mine and I decided to claim our seats in the pavillion. The two girls sitting next to us looked at us funny, especially when I told her, "I think this Buffett guy is a fad. 20 years from now, more folks will be listening to Britney Spears"... (yes, there was a grin and a twinkle in the eye when I said it.) Tried it a couple other times, at Alpine and Cinci but just could not deal with the high number of drunken idiots insisting on the fastest path being over the top of me and getting belligerent about being wrong. That is not to say my last time on the lawn was bad however.

Houston show at the Woodlands in 2008, big yellow moon rising over the venue, temperature was perfect and no humidity, perfect setlist and great friends sharing the lawn area. Perhaps it worked because it was a Monday night, perhaps because the show wasn't as crowded as Alpine or the other big venues, I don't know. That night on the lawn was pretty magical.

[PhxPhin]

I've seen it go both ways - i've had good & bad experiences in both

There have been times where I've been inside the pavillion portion and happily into each song with the people around me just wanting to sit and relax and commenting things like "wow, you really like this guy, huh?" ............. also at alpine the guy behind me figured that it was as good a place as any to whip it out and relieve .... thankfully there was a little commotion and it snapped me out of my show trance enough to side step and shove the guy a little as he was directly behind me ........ so drunk he couldn't even talk enough to mangle words

I've also been on the lawn where people have been passed out, violent, etc

It's hard to get rid of that type of stuff without cracking down so hard you limit the good times of those who can actually enjoy themselves and function ..... which always seems to be the give/pull with buffett shows

[captainalex]

You know it feels like someone tried to "mug me" of my good time. I was minding my own time with my wife. We love having a funtime like anyone else but these punks had other thoughts.

And by no means do I want it to sound that I thunk this only a rant about "youngsters". I've run into plenty of older SOB's over the years. Like I have stated the whole "F*** YOU JIMMY BUFFETT" mentality really pushed my buttons as a fan.

These two punks could have stayed in the parking lot and drank their faces off the whole night without coming into the show and be disruptive.

[RinglingRingling]

You know it feels like someone tried to "mug me" of my good time. I was minding my own time with my wife. We love having a funtime like anyone else but these punks had other thoughts.

And by no means do I want it to sound that I thunk this only a rant about "youngsters". I've run into plenty of older SOB's over the years. Like I have stated the whole "F*** YOU JIMMY BUFFETT" mentality really pushed my buttons as a fan.

These two punks could have stayed in the parking lot and drank their faces off the whole night without coming into the show and be disruptive.

well, the bright side is that if they are that dim, Karma will come around and take them, probably doing something like that towards AC/DC in front of a big fan of theirs in the Pittsburgh charter of the Pagans....

[citcat]

I agree with Connie ! Parents have coddled their kids instead of teaching them manners and empathy. Their sense of entitlement is scary.
But young people aren't the only jackholes. And you still aren't safe sitting in the pavilion. One woman was so drunk at a 2010 concert, we spent several songs worrying about whether she was going to fall and bust her head or ours, or she was going to puke, or turn medieval. She was finally escorted out. *whew*
People in general are getting nastier as time goes on. But there's still moments of grace, kindness, manners.

[parrotheadracing]

I have concerns about the Frisco Tx show.I love what they are doing. The city and the Frisco PD and Fire dept could not be better to us for our 3 days we blow through town.This year I saw a lot more people just there for the party.They have no idea who JB is they just know theres a big party going on.It seemed a little drunker? and a lot more trash,broken bottles,etc than I've seen in the past.Fine with me, party your ass off and take your chances with the Firsco PD if you get too crazy.I would just hate to see the city pull the plug on it.

[ph4ever]

I have concerns about the Frisco Tx show.I love what they are doing. The city and the Frisco PD and Fire dept could not be better to us for our 3 days we blow through town.This year I saw a lot more people just there for the party.They have no idea who JB is they just know theres a big party going on.It seemed a little drunker? and a lot more trash,broken bottles,etc than I've seen in the past.Fine with me, party your ass off and take your chances with the Firsco PD if you get too crazy.I would just hate to see the city pull the plug on it.

I've seen worse than Frisco. It blew me away how much stuff people left behind the first time I went to Nissan. That was back when he was still playing Smirnoff or whatever it's called now. I remember when we would haul our trash out or at least put it in bags and pile where it could easily be collected. I didn't go this year and really didn't notice the past years I've gone. I guess it's because I usually park near where the PTM people will be and then leave out the back roads basically avoiding all the lots near the stadium.

[captainalex]

My thanks to all who read my posts and to those who commented. I feel better writting all out. It really bothered me.

[ragtopW]

You know it feels like someone tried to "mug me" of my good time. I was minding my own time with my wife. We love having a funtime like anyone else but these punks had other thoughts.

And by no means do I want it to sound that I thunk this only a rant about "youngsters". I've run into plenty of older SOB's over the years. Like I have stated the whole "F*** YOU JIMMY BUFFETT" mentality really pushed my buttons as a fan.

These two punks could have stayed in the parking lot and drank their faces off the whole night without coming into the show and be disruptive.

I heard the same thing in Frisco last year.. no Lawn
three years back I had a guy sitting in front of me (we were on the side) He had a 3 year old on his shoulders so I had lil butt in my face
THEN he got mad when I sang along (SOB is a bad word)
I moved to the back concourse of Pizza hut park.. pled my case to
Security and was left be.. (dancing with some of the Female security crew)
BUT I got lucky.. I could have just as easily been told to return to my seat..

[maid memories]

I saw David Gray last night at the Opry House here in Nashville. What I witnessed made me think of this thread. David isn't widely known, but his shows typically sell out. He's British, very mellow, occasionally I've heard him on RM. That being said, he usually draws a mellow, well mannered crowd of varying ages. Last night there were more people acting like punks than I've ever seen at one of his shows and every single one of the people I saw disrupting other people's experience and acting like a drunk @$$es in general were the grown ups. And when I say drunks, I mean screaming, talking over the show, crawling around on the floor in the aisles looking for lipstick, walking through the auditorium and slamming into seats and people because they were so hammered they couldn't maintain anything resembling a straight line. Two of the worst were in the first few rows. They were also well into adulthood. It's not just the kids. I sat next to five teenagers, all of whom were ridiculously well mannered. Thankfully everybody in my immediate vicinity was.

A sense of decorum is just lost on so many people these days. There's a time and a place for all kinds of behavior, or, as I tell my youngest brother, "do as the Romans do, not as they do in the trailer park."

[RinglingRingling]

I saw David Gray last night at the Opry House here in Nashville. What I witnessed made me think of this thread. David isn't widely known, but his shows typically sell out. He's British, very mellow, occasionally I've heard him on RM. That being said, he usually draws a mellow, well mannered crowd of varying ages. Last night there were more people acting like punks than I've ever seen at one of his shows and every single one of the people I saw disrupting other people's experience and acting like a drunk @$$es in general were the grown ups. And when I say drunks, I mean screaming, talking over the show, crawling around on the floor in the aisles looking for lipstick, walking through the auditorium and slamming into seats and people because they were so hammered they couldn't maintain anything resembling a straight line. Two of the worst were in the first few rows. They were also well into adulthood. It's not just the kids. I sat next to five teenagers, all of whom were ridiculously well mannered. Thankfully everybody in my immediate vicinity was.

A sense of decorum is just lost on so many people these days. There's a time and a place for all kinds of behavior, or, as I tell my youngest brother, "do as the Romans do, not as they do in the trailer park."

The Romans had trailer parks?

[maid memories]

I saw David Gray last night at the Opry House here in Nashville. What I witnessed made me think of this thread. David isn't widely known, but his shows typically sell out. He's British, very mellow, occasionally I've heard him on RM. That being said, he usually draws a mellow, well mannered crowd of varying ages. Last night there were more people acting like punks than I've ever seen at one of his shows and every single one of the people I saw disrupting other people's experience and acting like a drunk @$$es in general were the grown ups. And when I say drunks, I mean screaming, talking over the show, crawling around on the floor in the aisles looking for lipstick, walking through the auditorium and slamming into seats and people because they were so hammered they couldn't maintain anything resembling a straight line. Two of the worst were in the first few rows. They were also well into adulthood. It's not just the kids. I sat next to five teenagers, all of whom were ridiculously well mannered. Thankfully everybody in my immediate vicinity was.

A sense of decorum is just lost on so many people these days. There's a time and a place for all kinds of behavior, or, as I tell my youngest brother, "do as the Romans do, not as they do in the trailer park."

The Romans had trailer parks?

Probably. They had to start somewhere.