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The news keeps getting worst. We have a two day show here starting tomorrow. I wonder if it will still happen.
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OceanCityGirl wrote:The news keeps getting worst. We have a two day show here starting tomorrow. I wonder if it will still happen.
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Last I heard, it was 3 dead and 50+ injured?


btw--not sure about the link you posted???

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 12598.html
Here is the link

OceanCityGirl wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 12598.html
Here is the link

More pics here. Be forewarned, some are a bit graphic.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20110916/EVE ... ion-Renown

Prayers going out to Reno.

Yikes!!!

In my pre-Buffett life I spent my summers going to airshows with my ex who was an aerobatic pilot. Airshows are run somewhat differently than the Reno air races. There are HUGE setbacks required between the crowd and the performers and at no time are the performers to do any manuevers towards the crowd. The fact that the organizers of another race "balked" at the suggestions of the FAA gives me pause about the whole thing. Since the Ramstein crash years ago in Germany American airshows have gone to great lengths to improve the safety and enjoyment of the crowd. I would hate to see what happened here affect the hundreds of airshows annually that educate and entertain the public as well as, much of the time, donating a lot of money to charity from their proceeds. If you've never been to one, I highly recommend it, especially if you get to see the Blue Angels, Thunderbirds or the crazy Canadians that call themselves the Snowbirds.

Very sad, prayers for all concerned.

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:More pics here. Be forewarned, some are a bit graphic.
http://www.rgj.com/article/20110916/EVE ... ion-Renown
Prayers going out to Reno.

So horrible! Prayers for everyone involved!!

http://www.click2houston.com/news/29217 ... 0109172011

Officials: Air Race Death Toll Rises To 9
7 People, Pilot Die On Tarmac, Officials Say

it just gets worse and worse....

Nobody has ever been able to convince me to go to an air show. And never will. Probably has something to do with a nightmare I have sometimes: a plane falls from the sky and lands on me. Scary.
Prayers for the families of those who died in this and the other air show crash.

citcat wrote:Nobody has ever been able to convince me to go to an air show. And never will. Probably has something to do with a nightmare I have sometimes: a plane falls from the sky and lands on me. Scary.
Prayers for the families of those who died in this and the other air show crash.

I'm sorry you're so afraid To this day I also have dreams about planes crashing during a show but never on me. YIKES
Having attended dozens and dozens of shows myself and being out in front of the crowd because I was with a performer I can tell you I never felt afraid (except for during his performance, I could never eat until he was done) You'll be just fine if you never see one But they really are fun and the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds are really something special.

That is terrible for sure. So sorry for those that were injured or killed.
It makes you wonder at what point should those vintage planes be retired. I heard it may have been because of the tail or something?
Metals can take only so much repeated stress.

BeachBumJim wrote:That is terrible for sure. So sorry for those that were injured or killed.
It makes you wonder at what point should those vintage planes be retired. I heard it may have been because of the tail or something?
Metals can take only so much repeated stress.

At the very least I would think they would only be either on static display or flown across the flight line at a reasonable speed for display purposes only.

ScarletB wrote:

BeachBumJim wrote:That is terrible for sure. So sorry for those that were injured or killed.
It makes you wonder at what point should those vintage planes be retired. I heard it may have been because of the tail or something?
Metals can take only so much repeated stress.

At the very least I would think they would only be either on static display or flown across the flight line at a reasonable speed for display purposes only.

Exactly.

ScarletB wrote:

BeachBumJim wrote:That is terrible for sure. So sorry for those that were injured or killed.
It makes you wonder at what point should those vintage planes be retired. I heard it may have been because of the tail or something?
Metals can take only so much repeated stress.

At the very least I would think they would only be either on static display or flown across the flight line at a reasonable speed for display purposes only.

The "Galloping Ghost" was not a 'genuine' warbird. According to Dick Phillips, a P-51 historian from Burnsville MN, the plane had had several new engines since then (reports and pictures indicate that she was being powered by a Packard engine, and it is my understanding that WW-II P-51s were equipped with either Allison or Rolls-Royce engines) as well as a new canopy and other modifications. So this was not a 'true' warbird, but a highly modified and pretty much rebuilt aircraft based on the P-51 airframe and designed for pylon racing. Sort of like the early days of NASCAR or NHRA when one would convert a passenger car into a dirt track stock car or a quarter-mile dragster. Most authentic warbirds are flown in a manner as described by ScarletB.

Secondly, age alone does not determine the lifespan of an aircraft. Many B-52s still in service today are being flown by pilots who weren't even born when their aircraft rolled off the Boeing assembly line; and with proper maintenance commercial airliners can and do achieve decades of regular service. Ask most anyone familiar with airframes and aircraft maintenance and they will tell you the concern lies more with what are called "cycles"; that is, the numbers of takeoffs and landings (preferably an equal number of each ) between major inspections and overhauls.

-"BB"-

Bicycle Bill wrote:

ScarletB wrote:

BeachBumJim wrote:That is terrible for sure. So sorry for those that were injured or killed.
It makes you wonder at what point should those vintage planes be retired. I heard it may have been because of the tail or something?
Metals can take only so much repeated stress.

At the very least I would think they would only be either on static display or flown across the flight line at a reasonable speed for display purposes only.

The "Galloping Ghost" was not a 'genuine' warbird. According to Dick Phillips, a P-51 historian from Burnsville MN, the plane had had several new engines since then (reports and pictures indicate that she was being powered by a Packard engine, and it is my understanding that WW-II P-51s were equipped with either Allison or Rolls-Royce engines) as well as a new canopy and other modifications. So this was not a 'true' warbird, but a highly modified and pretty much rebuilt aircraft based on the P-51 airframe and designed for pylon racing. Sort of like the early days of NASCAR or NHRA when one would convert a passenger car into a dirt track stock car or a quarter-mile dragster. Most authentic warbirds are flown in a manner as described by ScarletB.

Secondly, age alone does not determine the lifespan of an aircraft. Many B-52s still in service today are being flown by pilots who weren't even born when their aircraft rolled off the Boeing assembly line; and with proper maintenance commercial airliners can and do achieve decades of regular service. Ask most anyone familiar with airframes and aircraft maintenance and they will tell you the concern lies more with what are called "cycles"; that is, the numbers of takeoffs and landings (preferably an equal number of each ) between major inspections and overhauls.

-"BB"-

That's a piece of info my ex would know, thanks - unfortunately sh*t happens but I do believe the crowd setbacks are not the same for the air races as they are for airshows. Although it's been a long time since I was involved.

packard built the merlin engine under license during WWII