$20 concert tickets, Kid?

[surfpirate]

That theory seems to only apply to a limited definition of fans;
fans that only want tickets at face value or less.
A utopian idea that the demand for tickets and seats available are never limited.
I am a fan and I have paid above face value for the tickets I wanted.

[Tiki Torches]

That theory seems to only apply to a limited definition of fans;
fans that only want tickets at face value or less.
A utopian idea that the demand for tickets and seats available are never limited.
I am a fan and I have paid above face value for the tickets I wanted.

They're you're part of the problem. Everyone that I know that avidly attends concerts isn't in it to profit off of others, we're there for the music and to support our favorite musicians. If you want to pay through the nose for tickets and/or support scalpers, have at it. I refuse to and have no problem whatsoever letting a ticket go for face value or less, or giving it away for free. I know many local writers, radio folks, etc. that are often offered free tickets for shows but will pay instead, especially in the case of club/theatre level shows since it puts money in the musicians' pockets and enables them to put gas in their tank to get to the next town or to be able to afford a meal. I also know plenty of people that have offered up spare couches and bedrooms to musicians in an effort to help them deter costs for staying in motel rooms. I guess the mere thought of such generosity will cause some of you to have a conniption fit.

[surfpirate]

I have given away tickets; front rows even.
I gave away 3 tickets to this past Saturdays Buffett show that I couldn't use.
Wasn't worth the effort to sell them and it made someone happy.
Perhaps it balances out.

[surfpirate]

That theory seems to only apply to a limited definition of fans;
fans that only want tickets at face value or less.
A utopian idea that the demand for tickets and seats available are never limited.
I am a fan and I have paid above face value for the tickets I wanted.

They're you're part of the problem. Everyone that I know that avidly attends concerts isn't in it to profit off of others, we're there for the music and to support our favorite musicians. If you want to pay through the nose for tickets and/or support scalpers, have at it. I refuse to and have no problem whatsoever letting a ticket go for face value or less, or giving it away for free. I know many local writers, radio folks, etc. that are often offered free tickets for shows but will pay instead, especially in the case of club/theatre level shows since it puts money in the musicians' pockets and enables them to put gas in their tank to get to the next town or to be able to afford a meal. I also know plenty of people that have offered up spare couches and bedrooms to musicians in an effort to help them deter costs for staying in motel rooms. I guess the mere thought of such generosity will cause some of you to have a conniption fit.

My decision to purchase or sell a ticket to a Jimmy Buffett concert
at an above face value price
has never caused Jimmy to have to miss a meal, sleep on a couch,
or not have enough gas money to get to the next town.

Those musicians that do need gas money, very likely
aren't selling out their venues and their tickets aren't being resold
above face value by brokers. I can buy those tickets at face value
and the money goes to whatever the musician has negotiated
with their ticket sales channel.

[Tiki Torches]

That theory seems to only apply to a limited definition of fans;
fans that only want tickets at face value or less.
A utopian idea that the demand for tickets and seats available are never limited.
I am a fan and I have paid above face value for the tickets I wanted.

They're you're part of the problem. Everyone that I know that avidly attends concerts isn't in it to profit off of others, we're there for the music and to support our favorite musicians. If you want to pay through the nose for tickets and/or support scalpers, have at it. I refuse to and have no problem whatsoever letting a ticket go for face value or less, or giving it away for free. I know many local writers, radio folks, etc. that are often offered free tickets for shows but will pay instead, especially in the case of club/theatre level shows since it puts money in the musicians' pockets and enables them to put gas in their tank to get to the next town or to be able to afford a meal. I also know plenty of people that have offered up spare couches and bedrooms to musicians in an effort to help them deter costs for staying in motel rooms. I guess the mere thought of such generosity will cause some of you to have a conniption fit.

My decision to purchase or sell a ticket to a Jimmy Buffett concert at an above face value price has never caused Jimmy to have to miss a meal, sleep on a couch, or not have enough gas money to get to the next town.

I didn't say that it did. It's obviously a very different situation when you're talking about an artist like Buffett. In this case, it's very clear that I was not referring to someone like him. I was referring to helping out struggling musicians, not Jimmy Buffett.

Those musicians that do need gas money, very likely aren't selling out their venues and their tickets aren't being resold above face value by brokers. I can buy those tickets at face value and the money goes to whatever the musician has negotiated with their ticket sales channel.

I'm referring here to industry people such as writers or radio announcers that choose to help out struggling performers by not accepting free tickets. It has nothing to do with scalping. That train of thought is also why most everyone I know prefers to purchase merch at shows as more money goes to the performer that way. It's all about helping out those that may be less fortunate that are just trying to make it to the next town.

I'll tell you one more time. If I have an extra ticket, I'm content just to break even or to sell the ticket for less than what I paid for it in order to give someone a break. I have no interest in making a profit off of it. Sometimes, out of the kindness of my heart I may even give a ticket away for free. If you or others want to make a profit off of tickets by robbing people of their hard earned money, then have at it. I choose not to, I'd rather look out for my fellow concert goers than profit from them. End of story.

What's the harm in having no desire to profit off of others or in choosing to give a ticket away for free? Never in my life have I seen people get so riled up over someone trying to do something nice for someone.

[PeretHed66]

What's the harm in having no desire to profit off of others or in choosing to give a ticket away for free? Never in my life have I seen people get so riled up over someone trying to do something nice for someone.

At the risk of wading into this fray, I would like to point out that I don't think people are riled up over trying to do something nice for someone; I think they're riled up over quotes like this.....

"If you're selling them to make a profit off of someone I would consider you to be an opportunistic a$$hole that's probably into music (or at the concert) for all the wrong reasons."

(And for the record, I have given extra tickets away gratis as well as made a profit off of extra tickets.....)

[Tiki Torches]

What's the harm in having no desire to profit off of others or in choosing to give a ticket away for free? Never in my life have I seen people get so riled up over someone trying to do something nice for someone.

At the risk of wading into this fray, I would like to point out that I don't think people are riled up over trying to do something nice for someone; I think they're riled up over quotes like this.....

"If you're selling them to make a profit off of someone I would consider you to be an opportunistic a$$hole that's probably into music (or at the concert) for all the wrong reasons."

(And for the record, I have given extra tickets away gratis as well as made a profit off of extra tickets.....)

Perhaps but at least one person has taken issue with me for not selling tickets at a profit and/or giving them away. By the way, right there on the back of the ticket it says: "The resale or attempted resale at a price higher than that appearing hereon is grounds for seizure and cancellation without compensation". So, while that's still not stopping others from reselling tickets for more than face value in order to make a profit for themselves (or from buying from scalpers), I think you can see where I would find such behavior to be a$$holery. Rather than doing the right thing, these folks are knowingly reselling tickets in order to make a profit. Of that, I disapprove and I refuse to engage in such behavior. If these people weren't doing that, artists from String Cheese Incident to Bruce Springsteen wouldn't be trying to put a stop to it. It's something I obviously feel very strongly about and will do everything in my power to be sure scalpers get shut out if at all possible.

[chippewa]

Bob Seger joined Kid Rock on the last night of Kid's 8-shows at Pine Knob.

[PeretHed66]

By the way, right there on the back of the ticket it says: "The resale or attempted resale at a price higher than that appearing hereon is grounds for seizure and cancellation without compensation". So, while that's still not stopping others from reselling tickets for more than face value in order to make a profit for themselves (or from buying from scalpers), I think you can see where I would find such behavior to be a$$holery.

I believe that each event/venue/promoter etc. has different policies regarding resales, as wells as different state statutes; as an example, here is the language from the ticket to the last JB concert I attended (Feburary 2013):

Certain maximum resale premiums and restrictions may apply such as: PA - $5 or 25% of the ticket price, whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes; MA - $2; NJ - $3 or 20% of the ticket price (or 50% of acquisition price if registered broker or season ticket holder), whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes. Purchaser may be able, in some instances, to purchase tickets directly from the venue box office without paying Ticketmaster's convenience fee. In NY: if the venue to which this ticket grants admission seats 6000 or fewer persons, this ticket may not be resold for more than 20% above the price printed on the face of this ticket, whereas if the venue to which this ticket grants admission seats more than 6000 persons, this ticket may not be resold for more than 45% above the price printed on the face of this ticket; this ticket may not be resold within one thousand five hundred feet from the physical structure of this place of entertainment under penalty of law if capacity exceeds 5,000.

It would have been completely legal for me to sell that ticket, under Florida statutes, at any price I saw fit, as long as I didn't do it on the venue property.

Look, I get what you're saying; I'm not going to bag you for your beliefs about reselling tickets for a profit, and I respect your convictions. Having said that, you are also painting anyone who resells a ticket for profit as an "a$$hole" or "scum" (your words, not mine). That's bound to turn some people off, and raise their ire. Just sayin'......

[Tiki Torches]

Look, I get what you're saying; I'm not going to bag you for your beliefs about reselling tickets for a profit, and I respect your convictions. Having said that, you are also painting anyone who resells a ticket for profit as an "a$$hole" or "scum" (your words, not mine). That's bound to turn some people off, and raise their ire. Just sayin'......

That's just how strongly I feel about it. Thankfully, there are people out there that aren't looking to make a profit off of reselling tickets. Those folks and the ones that may give away the occasional free ticket are the good guys. Given the option to not do the right thing and reselling them for a higher price only benefits themselves and continues to make scalping a problem. For as long as that problem exists I will continue to speak out against those people, who I definitely see as "a$$holes" and "scum".

[ragtopW]

Bob Seger joined Kid Rock on the last night of Kid's 8-shows at Pine Knob.

NICE!!!!

[PeretHed66]

Post deleted, it entered twice.

[PeretHed66]

Look, I get what you're saying; I'm not going to bag you for your beliefs about reselling tickets for a profit, and I respect your convictions. Having said that, you are also painting anyone who resells a ticket for profit as an "a$$hole" or "scum" (your words, not mine). That's bound to turn some people off, and raise their ire. Just sayin'......

That's just how strongly I feel about it. Thankfully, there are people out there that aren't looking to make a profit off of reselling tickets. Those folks and the ones that may give away the occasional free ticket are the good guys. Given the option to not do the right thing and reselling them for a higher price only benefits themselves and continues to make scalping a problem. For as long as that problem exists I will continue to speak out against those people, who I definitely see as "a$$holes" and "scum".

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree; I think there's a vast difference between the professional scalper you see at events holding up the "Tickets Wanted" signs, and the average guy, such as me, who found myself with an extra pair of tickets, and was offered a price above face value and gladly made that deal. Guess that makes me an "a$$hole", but at least I don't resort to name calling and generalizations.

Have a quality day!

[ragtopW]

Bob Seger joined Kid Rock on the last night of Kid's 8-shows at Pine Knob.

NICE!!!!

WAIT!!!! you are on Topic!! stop that!!!!

[PeretHed66]

Bob Seger joined Kid Rock on the last night of Kid's 8-shows at Pine Knob.

NICE!!!!

WAIT!!!! you are on Topic!! stop that!!!!

Touche! I will now cease and desist from hijacking this thread.

[PartofthePhlock]

Bob Seger joined Kid Rock on the last night of Kid's 8-shows at Pine Knob.

we get ZZ Top and Uncle Kracker........biggggg difference from Bob Seger. But I'll take it.

[PeretHed66]

Bob Seger joined Kid Rock on the last night of Kid's 8-shows at Pine Knob.

we get ZZ Top and Uncle Kracker........biggggg difference from Bob Seger. But I'll take it.

I thought about going to this show, in part because of ZZ Top. There is a part of me that is still surprised that ZZ Top is now an opening act.....guess I'm getting old.

[Tiki Torches]

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree; I think there's a vast difference between the professional scalper you see at events holding up the "Tickets Wanted" signs, and the average guy, such as me, who found myself with an extra pair of tickets, and was offered a price above face value and gladly made that deal. Guess that makes me an "a$$hole", but at least I don't resort to name calling and generalizations.

Indeed it does, especially considering the fact that you (and others) have the opportunity to sell at face value. Instead, you chose to make a profit from the situation. That's something you have every right do if you want, I just choose not to. I'd rather take the opportunity to do what I feel is the right thing. So, apparently that makes me the bad guy. I simply do not understand that line of thought.

[surfpirate]

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree; I think there's a vast difference between the professional scalper you see at events holding up the "Tickets Wanted" signs, and the average guy, such as me, who found myself with an extra pair of tickets, and was offered a price above face value and gladly made that deal. Guess that makes me an "a$$hole", but at least I don't resort to name calling and generalizations.

Indeed it does, especially considering the fact that you (and others) have the opportunity to sell at face value. Instead, you chose to make a profit from the situation. That's something you have every right do if you want, I just choose not to. I'd rather take the opportunity to do what I feel is the right thing. So, apparently that makes me the bad guy. I simply do not understand that line of thought.

No one has said you are a bad guy for wanting to help others by choosing
to offer extra tickets at or below face value.

No one.

[Tiki Torches]

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree; I think there's a vast difference between the professional scalper you see at events holding up the "Tickets Wanted" signs, and the average guy, such as me, who found myself with an extra pair of tickets, and was offered a price above face value and gladly made that deal. Guess that makes me an "a$$hole", but at least I don't resort to name calling and generalizations.

Indeed it does, especially considering the fact that you (and others) have the opportunity to sell at face value. Instead, you chose to make a profit from the situation. That's something you have every right do if you want, I just choose not to. I'd rather take the opportunity to do what I feel is the right thing. So, apparently that makes me the bad guy. I simply do not understand that line of thought.

No one has said you are a bad guy for wanting to help others by choosing to offer extra tickets at or below face value. No one.

Those exact words were not used but I was certainly raked over the coals for it, especially for offering the occasional ticket for free. Perhaps you haven't read the posts from LiveandLetLiver.

Oh, and if you go over to B u f f e t t World (which, for some reason is still being censored here) and look at the disclaimer in the "Fun Ticket Transfer" forum you'll see this: Ticket ads asking over face value will be deleted. So, it's good to know that there's some Buffett fans out there that aren't looking to screw over folks by making a profit off of them.