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Tiki Torches wrote:Curious to know if the lynch mobs are now circling around Larry as they do when I make similar statements...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respectfully disagree- if he was really a jerk he would have counted his money years ago and stopped touring but,again, I think deep down he's still Jimmy. People have been complaining about the covers recently. Myself included- but I caught myself joining the few really cynical voices here and kinda forgot what it's all about. The setlist is pretty standard this year and Jimmy has been doing covers forever in concert. It's all a matter of preference.
As for the songwriting ship- I love the new album. I know he didn't write all the songs but even on some of his greatest albums(changes In) he has used other song writer songs.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Fins up!

FinsUp6835 wrote:

Tiki Torches wrote:Curious to know if the lynch mobs are now circling around Larry as they do when I make similar statements...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respectfully disagree- if he was really a jerk he would have counted his money years ago and stopped touring but,again, I think deep down he's still Jimmy. People have been complaining about the covers recently. Myself included- but I caught myself joining the few really cynical voices here and kinda forgot what it's all about. The setlist is pretty standard this year and Jimmy has been doing covers forever in concert. It's all a matter of preference.
As for the songwriting ship- I love the new album. I know he didn't write all the songs but even on some of his greatest albums(changes In) he has used other song writer songs.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Fins up!

I didn't get the impression that Larry said Buffett was a "jerk". And yes, Buffett has been doing covers for years, truly inspired ones by the likes of Willis Alan Ramsay, Steve Goodman, Jesse Winchester, etc. but in the latter stages of his career the inspiration has been missing. In concert, it seems to have become a way for him and the Coral Reefer Band to take the easy way out by pandering to his audience, though the actual pandering began years ago once the Parrothead phenomenon started to take off. That's how we ended up with drivel such as "Math Suks".

Tiki when you respond you make my stomach turn. People want to lynch you on here because you just speak with such arrogance.

Who cares if he wrote Math sux?! Artist tend to cut terrible songs. And one mans garbage is another mans treasure. That song reminds me of me hanging out with my brother. Is it the best song? No, of course not. Get over yourself and get a hobby man.

Since I started this, wanted to clarify a couple of points:

1. I'm primarily focused on the "e-cig" part of the trademark application; per the article, the trademark wouldn't be granted if said product were to be used in conjunction with drug use (I know there are ways around this; see "water tobacco pipe", etc.).
2. To be clear, I think he did jump the shark as far as licensing some time ago, but at least one could make the argument that there was a connection (in many cases, extremely tenuous, but a connection), to his "brand" - sunglasses, sun protection, flip flops/shoes, tequila, beer, food, etc.; again, sometimes a sketchy link, but I think you could make it. But really, a Coral Reefer-branded e-cig? Yikes.
3. As far as the marijuana piece, I get it, and there is a strong Coral Reefer link here, but I wonder - if the law in whatever jurisdiction he plans on selling in is only for "medical marijuana", wouldn't a Coral Reefer brand seem to scream recreational use rather than medical? (And don't get me started on how many people are clamoring for "medical marijuana" when they really want recreational - and yes, I know there are legitimate medical benefits that should be allowed, such as the "Charlotte's Web" law that the governor of Florida signed recently; but really, if you want recreational marijuana, don't hide behind the medical claim - call it out and be proud of it, if you want to get high, just say so, and work for it, like Washington state.)
4. The infringement part which others posted is something I thought of after posting, he very well may be filing just to protect his brand down the road. Good call to those who posted.

I suspect I'll take some heat on point 3 regarding recreational vs medical marijuana, but so be it. Fire away!

FinsUp6835 wrote:Tiki when you respond you make my stomach turn. People want to lynch you on here because you just speak with such arrogance.

No "arrogance" here, just stating an opinion.

FinsUp6835 wrote:Who cares if he wrote Math sux?! Artist tend to cut terrible songs. And one mans garbage is another mans treasure. That song reminds me of me hanging out with my brother. Is it the best song? No, of course not. Get over yourself and get a hobby man.

Except "Math Suks" is indicative of much of the subpar material he proceeded to churn out out in the latter stages of his career which some Parrotheads proceeded to lap up as though it was some of his finest work. It's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the utter sh*t that's made it onto some of his albums over the years.

Tiki Torches wrote:

FinsUp6835 wrote:Tiki when you respond you make my stomach turn. People want to lynch you on here because you just speak with such arrogance.

No "arrogance" here, just stating an opinion.

FinsUp6835 wrote:Who cares if he wrote Math sux?! Artist tend to cut terrible songs. And one mans garbage is another mans treasure. That song reminds me of me hanging out with my brother. Is it the best song? No, of course not. Get over yourself and get a hobby man.

Except "Math Suks" is indicative of much of the subpar material he proceeded to churn out out in the latter stages of his career which some Parrotheads proceeded to lap up as though it was some of his finest work. It's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the utter sh*t that's made it onto some of his albums over the years.

I can't speak for them. I love his work from the 70s and80s the best. But I also like his current stuff. Is it as good as his old stuff? No. But I still love it.

FinsUp6835 wrote:

Tiki Torches wrote:

FinsUp6835 wrote:Tiki when you respond you make my stomach turn. People want to lynch you on here because you just speak with such arrogance.

No "arrogance" here, just stating an opinion.

FinsUp6835 wrote:Who cares if he wrote Math sux?! Artist tend to cut terrible songs. And one mans garbage is another mans treasure. That song reminds me of me hanging out with my brother. Is it the best song? No, of course not. Get over yourself and get a hobby man.

Except "Math Suks" is indicative of much of the subpar material he proceeded to churn out out in the latter stages of his career which some Parrotheads proceeded to lap up as though it was some of his finest work. It's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the utter sh*t that's made it onto some of his albums over the years.

I can't speak for them. I love his work from the 70s and80s the best. But I also like his current stuff. Is it as good as his old stuff? No. But I still love it.

I have every record he's ever made (save for the Live In.. series) but gravitate most to his 70's material because it's his most consistent from a quality standpoint. It was also when Buffett was at his peak as a songwriter. The quality level begins to drop off significantly once you get past Changes In Latitudes, Changes In Attitudes and even more so once he became distracted by the Parrothead phenomenon taking off and he started pandering to that segment of his audience. Yes, there's still some gems to be found on his records post Changes In Latitudes, Changes In Attitudes up to the present day but they are few and far between compared to his 70's era output when he was hitting his stride as a songwriter. You definitely wouldn't have found anything like "Surfin' In A Hurricane" on any of those records, yet another example of bottom of the barrel Buffett which is just as cringe worthy as "Math Suks" or "Party at the End of the World" to name but just a couple of his other less than stellar musical moments.

palmettopirate wrote:I couldn't care less about this and I don't know a thing about trademark law some maybe someone can explain. How does one take a couple common words and trademark it? It's like I could trademark the phrase "baseball bat" and nobody could touch it. BTW, the first time I heard landshark was in a the movie K9 with James Belushi when he referred to a German shepherd as a landshark. Margaritaville is a different story as it is an invented word. Just curious.

You don't trademark "just the word or phrase" so much as you
"trademark the word or phrase in conjunction with it's use in some form of commerce".
Many of the applications also come with a trademark image request,
e.g.

e.g. the word "landshark" has more than 50 entries with the United States Patent and Trademark Office.
Many of these entries are classified as "Dead". The trademark application has since been abandoned.
Those that are classified as "Live" are still active ... Margaritaville Enterprises, LLC can still move forward with the trademark application for protection.

Each trademark application must define the purpose of the trademark and how it will be used in commerce.

Here are two of the more than 50 descriptions of "Landshark" that Margaritaville Enterprises, LLC has on file as trademark applications using the word "landshark":

Use this link and the search term "landshark" to see all of them ----> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe? ... 54kj5r.1.1

Word Mark LANDSHARK FITNESS
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Personal trainer services; Physical fitness consultation; Physical fitness training services; Sports instruction services. FIRST USE: 20120904. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20120904
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 85754283
Filing Date October 15, 2012
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition April 2, 2013
Registration Number 4353522
Registration Date June 18, 2013
Owner (REGISTRANT) Wildcat Fitness Company CORPORATION TEXAS 8641 Classic Oaks San Antonio TEXAS 78255
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "FITNESS" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Word Mark LANDSHARK
Goods and Services IC 032. US 045 046 048. G & S: Beer. FIRST USE: 20061208. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20061208
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 78943015
Filing Date August 2, 2006
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition January 9, 2007
Registration Number 3424713
Registration Date May 6, 2008
Owner (REGISTRANT) MARGARITAVILLE ENTERPRISES, LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY DELAWARE 256 Worth Avenue, Suite Q-R Palm Beach FLORIDA 33480
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record Jeffrey M. Smith, Esq., Kristen L. Fancher, Esq., Joel R. Feldman, Esq.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

It has been more than a year since I researched this information. There have been many additions over the the past year.
Note: Some of the trademark applications using the term "LANDSHARK" were NOT submitted by MARGARITAVILLE ENTERPRISES, LLC,
such as this one:

Word Mark LANDSHARK
Goods and Services IC 012. US 019 021 023 031 035 044. G & S: motorized vehicles for use on land, namely, automobiles. FIRST USE: 19940519. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19940519
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 75094260
Filing Date April 25, 1996
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition March 4, 1997
Registration Number 2064897
Registration Date May 27, 1997
Owner (REGISTRANT) ASR INVESTMENTS CORP. CORPORATION UTAH Post Office Box 1776 Park City UTAH 84060

(LAST LISTED OWNER) JACKSON PARTNERS, LTD. LIMITED PARTNERSHIP BY ASSIGNMENT COLORADO P.O. BOX 1776 2463 SUNNY KNOLL COURT PARK CITY UTAH 84060
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record PRESTON C. REGEHR
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20070814.
Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 20070814
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

No matter how you slice it, Buffett's not responsible for originally coining the word "landshark". It's appalling that he's trademarked it and so many other terms all in the name of commerce. If his true colors haven't shown before, they're really showing now.

I disagree with you.

It's the name of his beer and he made it known. It's no different than margaritaville. License to chill and others. If it weren't for JB who would even mention Landshark?

And who cares. I don't think JB even knows what's out there anymore. On Fallon he didn't even know how many Margaritavilles he has. I don't think he's concerned - he has been quoted saying holy s*** we make beach towels now?!

All of this brings people happiness and an escape. It's all a matter of perspective. I choose half full (Landshark lager of course) rather than half empty.

FinsUp6835 wrote:It's the name of his beer and he made it known.

Except he never would have even used the term if not for the original Saturday Night Live skit. If anyone should own the trademark to the name, it's the writers that came up with it for that sketch, not Buffett. Now, people will associate it with yet another of his sh*tty Margaritaville, Inc. products instead of it's actual origins. Well, except for people such as myself that remember it from Saturday Night Live.

And if he never drank a margarita we would never have Margaritaville. Like what's your point?

I love Landshark Lager. You don't. Different strokes for different folks. You think his products are crap. I collect them and enjoy them. You think the Parrothead movement sucks. I love being a Parrothead. Again, it's all how you look at it. That's life.

FinsUp6835 wrote:And if he never drank a margarita we would never have Margaritaville. Like what's your point?

That Buffett didn't create the term "Landshark", it's something that originated with a Saturday Night Live sketch in 1975. What is so difficult to understand about that other than the fact that you have your head shoved so far up Buffett's ass that you can't see daylight?

Your an angry man. Woman?
Let the bitterness out and enjoy the ride.

You win. I've spent enough time on here. I have to go put my toes in the sand, drink a Landshark, and listen to Math Sux.

Oh, I'll be laying on my Margaritaville towel. Hopefully they come out with a Landshark one.

Fins up, Tiki!

FinsUp6835 wrote:Your an angry man. Woman?

No, not angry at all. It's just frustrating trying to convey the fact to a Kool-Aid drinker such as yourself that "Landshark" is not a term Jimmy Buffett is responsible for creating.

FinsUp6835 wrote:Tiki when you respond you make my stomach turn. People want to lynch you on here because you just speak with such arrogance.

Tiki doesn't need my help, but I'll jump in anyway. We've had our differences in the past, some of them pretty heated, but there's very little he's said in recent years that I disagree with. Except being a fan of Drive-By Truckers and REM. What you, and others, perceive as arrogance is usually much more well thought out arguments then "I'm a fan and I like everything Buffett does." To me, being a fan of anybody, not just Buffett, means I can criticize someone I'm a fan of when, in my opinion, they do something that warrants criticism. When he does something that sux, like We're Still Here, Everybody's On The Phone, Party At The End Of The World, Too Drunk To Write A Decent Song, I'm No Russian and most of Buffet Hotel, I'll say I think it sux. Unlike some people who sound like they can't wait to break out their Margaritaville brand knee pads

LIPH wrote:

FinsUp6835 wrote:Tiki when you respond you make my stomach turn. People want to lynch you on here because you just speak with such arrogance.

Tiki doesn't need my help, but I'll jump in anyway. We've had our differences in the past, some of them pretty heated, but there's very little he's said in recent years that I disagree with. Except being a fan of Drive-By Truckers and REM. What you, and others, perceive as arrogance is usually much more well thought out arguments then "I'm a fan and I like everything Buffett does." To me, being a fan of anybody, not just Buffett, means I can criticize someone I'm a fan of when, in my opinion, they do something that warrants criticism. When he does something that sux, like We're Still Here, Everybody's On The Phone, Party At The End Of The World, Too Drunk To Write A Decent Song, I'm No Russian and most of Buffet Hotel, I'll say I think it sux. Unlike some people who sound like they can't wait to break out their Margaritaville brand knee pads

Quit obscuring the issue with well thought out statements. I was enjoying my popcorn.

LIPH wrote:

FinsUp6835 wrote:Tiki when you respond you make my stomach turn. People want to lynch you on here because you just speak with such arrogance.

Tiki doesn't need my help, but I'll jump in anyway. We've had our differences in the past, some of them pretty heated, but there's very little he's said in recent years that I disagree with. Except being a fan of Drive-By Truckers and REM. What you, and others, perceive as arrogance is usually much more well thought out arguments then "I'm a fan and I like everything Buffett does." To me, being a fan of anybody, not just Buffett, means I can criticize someone I'm a fan of when, in my opinion, they do something that warrants criticism. When he does something that sux, like We're Still Here, Everybody's On The Phone, Party At The End Of The World, Too Drunk To Write A Decent Song, I'm No Russian and most of Buffet Hotel, I'll say I think it sux. Unlike some people who sound like they can't wait to break out their Margaritaville brand knee pads

Well said. Everyone has their right to express what they like and don't. My point is that who cares if he didn't come up with Landshark. Does he have songs that s***? Yes. Majority of them in my opinion are great. I choose to have a brighter perspective on things. That's just how I view life. It seems as Tiki always has to put in his 2 cents and it's the end all be all. I've expressed frustration with JB on here at times but I choose not to focus on the negatives. I rather talk about the positives. Because of that I have my head shoved up his ass? Why is your opinion and point of view right and mine is wrong? Everything is over analyzed and it takes the fun out of it.

FinsUp6835 wrote:My point is that who cares if he didn't come up with Landshark.

Those of us that are well aware that he's not the person that originally coined the term.

FinsUp6835 wrote:Why is your opinion and point of view right and mine is wrong?

It would make a difference if it I was merely stating an opinion but as far as the origin of "Landshark", I'm stating a fact.

Yes, you do seem to be the historian around here and on other forums. It's what you do - I get it.

Thanks for the cold, hard facts.